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Say, AV, have you ever really thought about what you type?What's your hang-up, anyway?
We don't tell you there are 25 elements in the Periodic Table one year, then change it to 35 the next, then discover 15 the next, etc.
We don't teach phlogiston one year, then find out it's junk science the next.
We don't call Pluto a planet one year, then a Dwarf Planet the next.
In short --- we don't change with the weather.
We may not agree with each other, but do you scientists?
We claim scientists are gifts from God - do you claim Christians are gifts to science?
Where did you get this from? Truth is the ultimate goal in all science. You are confusing the claim "we probably can never know the absolute truth, and we should not act like we do already" with "there is no absolute truth".Unlike science, where even the thought of "any" truth is completely out of the question...no waiting.
Suppose you were the enemy in this passage ---Not sure why I would trust my sense in trying to empirically verify your writings.
Would, "Go get Elisha and Gehazi and bring them to me." be your last commandment ever spoken?2 Kings 6:15-17 said:15 And when the servant of the man of God was risen early, and gone forth, behold, an host compassed the city both with horses and chariots. And his servant said unto him, Alas, my master! how shall we do?
16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.
17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
Good point --- I'll adjust my thinking accordingly.You are confusing the claim "we probably can never know the absolute truth, and we should not act like we do already" with "there is no absolute truth".
Suppose you were the enemy in this passage ---Would, "Go get Elisha and Gehazi and bring them to me." be your last commandment ever spoken?
(I need to make this into a challenge.)
Suppose you were the enemy in this passage ---Would, "Go get Elisha and Gehazi and bring them to me." be your last commandment ever spoken?
(I need to make this into a challenge.)
Dracula chapter 18 said:He can do all these things, yet he is not free. Nay; he is even more prisoner than the slave of the galley, than the madman in his cell. He cannot go where he lists; he who is not of nature has yet to obey some of nature's lawswhy we know not. He may not enter anywhere at the first, unless there be some one of the household who bid him to come; though afterwards he can come as he please. His power ceases, as does that of all evil things, at the coming of the day. Only at certain times can he have limited freedom. If he be not at the place whither he is bound, he can only change himself at noon or at exact sunrise or sunset. These things we are told, and in this record of ours we have proof by inference. Thus, whereas he can do as he will within his limit, when he have his earth-home, his coffin-home, his hell-home, the place unhallowed, as we saw when he went to the grave of the suicide at Whitby; still at other time he can only change when the time come. It is said, too, that he can only pass running water at the slack or the flood of the tide. Then there are things which so afflict him that he has no power, as the garlic that we know of; and as for things sacred, as this symbol, my crucifix, that was amongst us even now when we resolve, to them he is nothing, but in their presence he take his place far off and silent with respect. There are others, too, which I shall tell you of, lest in our seeking we may need them. The branch of wild rose on his coffin keep him that he move not from it; a sacred bullet fired into the coffin kill him so that he be true dead; and as for the stake through him, we know already of its peace; or the cut-off head that giveth rest. We have seen it with our eyes.
What's your hang-up, anyway?
Science changes over time in an incredibly predictable manner; better data => better answer. A change is always preceded by an increase in knowledge; the Periodic table grew, not capriciously, but in response to new elements being discovered.We don't tell you there are 25 elements in the Periodic Table one year, then change it to 35 the next, then discover 15 the next, etc.
The rejection of Phlogiston theory didn't happen with a change in weather, but rather was preceded by experiments of burning metals and measuring an increase in their mass, and also by the discovery of oxygen, both of which helped to falsify the theory.We don't teach phlogiston one year, then find out it's junk science the next.
Pluto's status change wasn't made just for kicks, but was instead preceded by the discovery of dozens of similar astronomical objects in its vicinity, and a debate of the consequences of those discoveries on previous notions of what constituted a planet.We don't call Pluto a planet one year, then a Dwarf Planet the next.
Science doesn't change "with the weather", it improves with the facts. That means the best answer to a given question will sometimes change over time. Compare that to Creationists, who disagree on simple Biblical matters always and forever. I'd rather be a bit more right tomorrow, than always wrong forever.In short --- we don't change with the weather.
Yes, we do. Ask a scientific question here, and you get remarkably similar answers from most of the scientifically inclined posters.We may not agree with each other, but do you scientists?
That's fine --- but when you "scientists" say there was no global flood, in contrast to what the Bible says, we Christians, in my opinion, have an obligation to speak up.Here's the issue; Creationists never agree with each other on scientific matters. Not now, not then, not in the past, the present, or the future; by your own words, you will be in disagreement (chaotic and discordant) until God sorts it out for you. If you want to have that be your personal legacy, I've got no problem with it. The problem I have is with your continued attempts to pull science in to your chaotic, discordant sub-cult of Christianity. No, thank you.
That's fine --- but when you "scientists" say there was no global flood, in contrast to what the Bible says, we Christians, in my opinion, have an obligation to speak up.
And in light of such points as this: 1 --- I can't see why you guys say 90% of the stuff you do.
Before you say there was no global flood, keep this bit of advice in mind: more data => better answer.
Just because a large part of the universe is unknown to us now does not mean it will always be. You're creating a "God of the Gaps."
Dreaming again, I see. My position is anything but destroyed by your dreams and baseless rhetoric.That, right there, is the crux of where Dad's argument falls flat on its face.
What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, unless you're Dad at which point everyone who disagrees with him is wrong and he is right, and on those occasions where his own point disagrees with him, it's wrong and he's still right!
(This is why I like to refer to his use of this extreme of "Empiricism" as an epistemological atomic bomb. He can't use it without it destroying his own position as well. And yet he pushes the button over and over and over again.)
So then, all your harsh words on the stupidity of presuming one can know about the different state are all reserved for scientists, alone. Got it. You know the conclusion that this leaves lurkers with, right? You don't or won't defend your notions from other Creationists, because those notions are actually completely unimportant to you.So called science believers. Some scientists don't swallow the poison pill of anti bible fables called science, falsely. Of course the people pushing a claim as part of science must have their positional feet held to the fire!
Those that merely believe a holy book a certain way are another story. Get it?
I have sought to find where science went wrong, and think I am on the right track. I need not correct bible believers, that is fine tuning. The war on God, and His truth is the enemy. That is the dragon I like to stick ny foot on the neck of, after I killed it dead.You don't bother with AVVET, because he puts the magic words you so love to hear before and after whatever he says, it gives him immunity to your criticism.
AV must find his own answers. At least he tries to use the bible. And as an added bonus he doubts science.(Bold emphasis mine.) Wow, and that's OK with you? You hold fellow Creationists to a lower standard with respect to the Bible than atheistic scientists, then. If any atheist here steps one whit out of line with your interpretation of the Bible, its "get over it" this and "fishbowl science" that... Never thought I'd see the day where you'd capitulate so with respect to the Bible. Those magic words have quite the effect on you, dad.
If one really believes in Jesus, and the word, even if they get it wrong on some things, it is no biggie. We have eternity to learn.And again? "appears to be"; another softening of your position. You too, weaken your position on scientific matters, so long as whatever is said is preceded by "Praise Jesus" and concluded with "God
did it, Amen!".
The day they lace all documentaries with AVi's views, and force it taught in school would be the day, I try to fine tune.
I don't like typing out long words every time I sign in, mainly.If I may ask, why did you choose the name dad?
Perhaps you meant the first amendment? Or am I to understand you intend on getting the National Guard to fight them off?I am so glad that i come to a country with the Second Amendment. That assures that this
"The day they lace all documentaries with AVi's views, and force it taught in school would be the day, I try to fine tune."
will never come true.
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