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I'm pretty sure most anybody that actually does that for religious arguments pretty rapidly becomes an atheist.I know it took me long enough, but it slowly begins to dawn on me that one of the central problems creationists like AV and Juvenissun have a startling inability to follow their own arguments to their logical conclusions.
I know it took me long enough, but it slowly begins to dawn on me that one of the central problems creationists like AV and Juvenissun have a startling inability to follow their own arguments to their logical conclusions.
That, and AVVET is showing some paranoia about a perceived Orwellian desire on scientist's part to physically restrain PERFORMER in a lab.
Its the result of both over-estimating scientist's desire to control what they study, and even worse, grossly under-estimating their (raging!) curiosity...
I guess it depends on if you're a Corazin Atheist or a Phoenician Atheist.Matthew 11:20-21 said:20 Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:
21 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
Adam Clarke's Commentary said:Then began he to upbraid the cities The more God has done to draw men unto himself, the less excusable are they if they continue in iniquity. If our blessed Lord had not done every thing that was necessary for the salvation of these people, he could not have reproached them for their impenitence.
Whenever you boys and girls are done conversing with each other and feel like listening for once,
So, not only do you claim to know God better than anyone else (here), you also proclaim to know all atheists better than they know themselves. I wonder if we will ever find the limits to your hubris...let me reiterate my point that I think you're wrong about your philosophy that it would take God actually showing up and performing miracles right before your eyes before you'll believe Him.
Even if He acquiesced and let you perform tests on Him in a laboratory setting, I really don't think it would change anything.
You're just saying that because you personally abhor the means by which atheists arrive at conclusions; facts and observation with a healthy dose of skepticism. No problem, though. If that script of yours above were to ever come true, you could always claim that the former atheists weren't True Christians [FONT="]®[/FONT]...Maybe --- just maybe --- one or two of you would become bona fide believers --- but I doubt it.
Whenever you boys and girls are done conversing with each other and feel like listening for once, let me reiterate my point that I think you're wrong about your philosophy that it would take God actually showing up and performing miracles right before your eyes before you'll believe Him.
Even if He acquiesced and let you perform tests on Him in a laboratory setting, I really don't think it would change anything.
Maybe --- just maybe --- one or two of you would become bona fide believers --- but I doubt it.
On the other hand, I could be wrong too, as Jesus did say:I guess it depends on if you're a Corazin Atheist or a Phoenician Atheist.
I think the 4 yr old is jumping up and down saying "look at me, pay attention to MEEEE!!! but I could be wrong. i dont read its posts. But back when I did, that is how it acted if it thought it was being ignored for a moment.
Whenever you boys and girls are done conversing with each other and feel like listening for once, let me reiterate my point that I think you're wrong about your philosophy that it would take God actually showing up and performing miracles right before your eyes before you'll believe Him.
Even if He acquiesced and let you perform tests on Him in a laboratory setting, I really don't think it would change anything.
Maybe --- just maybe --- one or two of you would become bona fide believers --- but I doubt it.
On the other hand, I could be wrong too, as Jesus did say:I guess it depends on if you're a Corazin Atheist or a Phoenician Atheist.
Well, I certainly hope so --- but in light of what Jesus said:Indeed... you are wrong.
--- I have to wonder.Luke 16:31 said:And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Well, I certainly hope so --- but in light of what Jesus said:--- I have to wonder.
Cause I've been horsing around with font size and messed it up.Why is your type so small now???
That one's good.Cause I've been horsing around with font size and messed it up.
Thanks for saying something --- is this better --- or is it too big now?
Well, I certainly hope so --- but in light of what Jesus said:--- I have to wonder.
Okay --- thank you.That one's good.
Without wishing to sound too dismissive of religion in general, I think you'll find that it is the religious who would be wanting him punished.
Religious people are more likely to be dishonest or immoral when they know they can get away with it.On the basis of what evidence? Jesus could stand right in front of you and create an apple ex nihilo into the palm of your hand, and, according to my Apple Challenge thread, you'd consider Him everything but real.
atheists when moral choose to be and do so without conditions. Christians are ether forced to be moral for fear of hell or told how to be moral by the church (and thus have no real understanding of it). They do so conditionally. Now i have meet christains who ALSO choose to be moral without conditions, but its not because of their religion (as seen by their other church members)
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