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Your opinion isn't supported by reality, unfortunately. Kids engage in sex because they a) have a hormonal incentive to do so, and b) are encouraged by their peers and their environment. Most sex ed programs never say something like "You guys are going to have sex anyway."I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ABSTINENCE ONLY EDUCATION.
I'm talking about simply presenting abstinence as what it is. The only way to be 100% safe from an STD and an attainable but not necessarily easy goal. IMO, there are a lot of kids that engage in sex largely because they are hammered with the message that not doing it is impossible.
Here's what I wonder, why does something have to be proven to cause serious harm for it to be wrong??
Just becuz humans have desires or urges, doesn't mean it's "good" or "right" to fulfill them anytime, anywhere or with anyone.
Things can be right and wrong no matter if there's no serious harm done visibly - or that is observed at the time.
I've had many times where hindsight showed me I shouldn't have slept with someone (for reasons I knew beforhand)... is that "right" to do becuz premarital sex is 'right' in and of itself? (in your opinion)
In the case of abstinance, sexual partners/premarital sex IS shown to do alot of harm to many people in many ways.... yet even in this case where harm IS shown to occur, it's being ignored and condoned as a "good thing to practice" despite the SECULAR evidences...
IMO, now even when we see alot of harm from something, it gets justified too.
So no matter WHAT, you will find reasons to justify and support harmful behaviour if it suits what you want to do and provides pleasure & benefits.
Interesting to say the least.
That's awesome. Thank you very much for sharing that.I could not figure out where to put this so if it needs moved be my guest.
I received this in an email. While I am not sure if this is actual it certainly makes a point.
Abstinence
(By Robert Layton)
I WAS HOLDING A NOTICE FROM my 13-year-old son's
school announcing a meeting to preview the new course
in sexuality. Parents could examine the curriculum and
take part in an actual lesson presented exactly as it
would be given to the students.
When I arrived at the school, I was surprised to
discover only about a dozen parents there. As we
waited for the presentation, I thumbed through page
after page of instructions in the prevention of
pregnancy or disease. I found abstinence mentioned
only in passing. When the teacher arrived with the
school nurse, she asked if there were any questions. I
asked why abstinence did not play a noticeable part in
the material.
What happened next was shocking. There was a great
deal of laughter, and someone suggested that if I
thought abstinence had any merit, I should go back to
burying my head in the sand. The teacher and the nurse
said nothing as I drowned in a sea of embarrassment.
My mind had gone blank, and I could think of nothing
to say. The teacher explained to me that the job of
the school was to teach "facts, " and the home was
responsible for moral training. I sat in silence for
the next 20 minutes as the course was explained. The
other parents seemed to give their unqualified support
to the materials.
"Donuts, at the back, " announced the teacher during
the break. "I'd like you to put on the name tags we
have prepared-they're right by the donuts . . . and
mingle with the other parents. "Everyone moved to the
back of the room. As I watched them affixing their
name tags and shaking hands, I sat deep in thought. I
was ashamed that I had not been able to convince them
to include a serious discussion of abstinence in the
materials. I uttered a silent prayer for guidance. My
thoughts were interrupted by the teacher's hand on my
shoulder. "Won't you join the others, Mr. Layton?" The
nurse smiled sweetly at me. "The donuts are good."
"Thank you, no, " I replied. "Well, then, how about a
name tag? I'm sure the others would like to meet you."
"Somehow I doubt that, " I replied. "Won't you please
join them?" she coaxed. Then I heard a still, small
voice whisper, "Don't go." The instruction was
unmistakable. "Don't go!" "I'll just wait here, " I
said.
When the class was called back to order, the teacher
looked around the long table and thanked everyone for
putting on name tags. She ignored me. Then she said,
"Now we're going to give you the same lesson we'll be
giving your children. Everyone please peel off your
name tags." I watched in silence as the tags came off.
"Now, then, on the back of one of the tags, I drew a
tiny flower. Who has it, please?" The gentleman across
from me held it up. "Here it is!" "All right, " she
said. "The flower represents disease. Do you recall
with whom you shook hands?" He pointed to a couple of
people. "Very good, " she replied. "The handshake in
this case represents intimacy. So the two people you
had contact with now have the disease." There was
laughter and joking among the parents. The teacher
continued, "And whom did the two of you shake hands
with?" The point was well taken, and she explained how
this lesson would show students how quickly disease is
spread. "Since we all shook hands, we all have the
disease."
It was then that I heard the still, small voice again.
"Speak now," it said, "but be humble." I noted wryly
the latter admonition, then rose from my chair. I
apologized for any upset I might have caused earlier,
congratulated the teacher on an excellent lesson that
would impress the youth, and concluded by saying I had
only one small point I wished to make. "Not all of us
were infected, " I said. "One of us . . . abstained."
What?I wish I could be less confident in reaching the end of a thread like this and hoping not to find Dannager spouting his usual world-bound wisdom.
Someone posts a wonderful story that anyone can understand, and all you can do is try to disillusion those. Sometimes I wonder what life has done to you to make you so...
Digit
Wow, talk about out of left-field... where did you come from?What?
The story is bull####.
If you wore a glove, you wouldn't be infected. Or are you not capable of using one?
You're the one that doesn't want to accept reality. You want to make everything natural bad, you're saying "don't enjoy life". God didn't give me senses and a world like this, so I could spend all my days hating it.
Yup, I agree with that.Abstinence is advisable till marriage. Probably, most young people will have sex before marriage. I suppose some will not but, probably most will experiment. Do I think it's right, no. But it is the reality. Kids should be aware of the risks of sex and all the consequences of sex, emotional, physical, and psychological. Kids should also be aware of condoms. They are going to choose, many will choose to have pre-marital sex. Since we know that, they should be aware of condoms.
I could not figure out where to put this so if it needs moved be my guest.
I received this in an email. While I am not sure if this is actual it certainly makes a point.
Abstinence
(By Robert Layton)
I WAS HOLDING A NOTICE FROM my 13-year-old son's
school announcing a meeting to preview the new course
in sexuality. Parents could examine the curriculum and
take part in an actual lesson presented exactly as it
would be given to the students.
When I arrived at the school, I was surprised to
discover only about a dozen parents there. As we
waited for the presentation, I thumbed through page
after page of instructions in the prevention of
pregnancy or disease. I found abstinence mentioned
only in passing. When the teacher arrived with the
school nurse, she asked if there were any questions. I
asked why abstinence did not play a noticeable part in
the material.
What happened next was shocking. There was a great
deal of laughter, and someone suggested that if I
thought abstinence had any merit, I should go back to
burying my head in the sand. The teacher and the nurse
said nothing as I drowned in a sea of embarrassment.
My mind had gone blank, and I could think of nothing
to say. The teacher explained to me that the job of
the school was to teach "facts, " and the home was
responsible for moral training. I sat in silence for
the next 20 minutes as the course was explained. The
other parents seemed to give their unqualified support
to the materials.
"Donuts, at the back, " announced the teacher during
the break. "I'd like you to put on the name tags we
have prepared-they're right by the donuts . . . and
mingle with the other parents. "Everyone moved to the
back of the room. As I watched them affixing their
name tags and shaking hands, I sat deep in thought. I
was ashamed that I had not been able to convince them
to include a serious discussion of abstinence in the
materials. I uttered a silent prayer for guidance. My
thoughts were interrupted by the teacher's hand on my
shoulder. "Won't you join the others, Mr. Layton?" The
nurse smiled sweetly at me. "The donuts are good."
"Thank you, no, " I replied. "Well, then, how about a
name tag? I'm sure the others would like to meet you."
"Somehow I doubt that, " I replied. "Won't you please
join them?" she coaxed. Then I heard a still, small
voice whisper, "Don't go." The instruction was
unmistakable. "Don't go!" "I'll just wait here, " I
said.
When the class was called back to order, the teacher
looked around the long table and thanked everyone for
putting on name tags. She ignored me. Then she said,
"Now we're going to give you the same lesson we'll be
giving your children. Everyone please peel off your
name tags." I watched in silence as the tags came off.
"Now, then, on the back of one of the tags, I drew a
tiny flower. Who has it, please?" The gentleman across
from me held it up. "Here it is!" "All right, " she
said. "The flower represents disease. Do you recall
with whom you shook hands?" He pointed to a couple of
people. "Very good, " she replied. "The handshake in
this case represents intimacy. So the two people you
had contact with now have the disease." There was
laughter and joking among the parents. The teacher
continued, "And whom did the two of you shake hands
with?" The point was well taken, and she explained how
this lesson would show students how quickly disease is
spread. "Since we all shook hands, we all have the
disease."
It was then that I heard the still, small voice again.
"Speak now," it said, "but be humble." I noted wryly
the latter admonition, then rose from my chair. I
apologized for any upset I might have caused earlier,
congratulated the teacher on an excellent lesson that
would impress the youth, and concluded by saying I had
only one small point I wished to make. "Not all of us
were infected, " I said. "One of us . . . abstained."
If you look at things from a scientific perspective, our urges and desires are good. Those creatures in nature which "win" at life are the ones that survive.
Dannager is actually stating reality. I just took a sex ed class. They didn't say anything about "well you'll do it anyway". All my teacher talked about was abstinence. It's a bunch of propaganda to say that schools are encouraging sex. As you can see, the teachers here were trying to discourage it. But all you can see is the mother who is probably very proud of herself for doing nothing but emphasizing the point. Parents don't act like that either. I have Christian friends with atheist parents who would still ground them for life if they were told their child was having sex.
Kids are encouraged to have sex by their own urges and the media. Don't try to pin it on anyone else.
What?
The story is bull####.
If you wore a glove, you wouldn't be infected. Or are you not capable of using one?
You're the one that doesn't want to accept reality. You want to make everything natural bad, you're saying "don't enjoy life". God didn't give me senses and a world like this, so I could spend all my days hating it.
Most don't. I've only seen teachers do that on their own time and I've been to quite a few schools. The only teacher who's ever encouraged it was actually a biology teacher. But he also told us he didn't care if we ditched class or did drugs. I think he was fired.That's good that you had a school like thatthere are all kinds of teachers out there though. Yes, kids are indeed encouraged to have sex by "their own urges and the media", it's just that some teachers go along with that. Thankfully, some don't.
Most don't. I've only seen teachers do that on their own time and I've been to quite a few schools. The only teacher who's ever encouraged it was actually a biology teacher. But he also told us he didn't care if we ditched class or did drugs. I think he was fired.
What?
The story is bull####.
If you wore a glove, you wouldn't be infected. Or are you not capable of using one?
Kids are encouraged to have sex by their own urges and the media. Don't try to pin it on anyone else.
I honestly don't believe it all comes down to media & urges.
For instance, girls with dysfunctional or non-existent relationships with their fathers/male parental figures, are more like than those that do have decent relationships with their dads to engage in promiscuity.
There are too many other factors at work than simple hormones & an over-sexed media.
Really, the sexual revolution occured in the 60s & 70s, when television, movies & music were relatively more tame, more Leave it to Beaver than today. If it were all due to media, the sexual freedom of the 60s/70s would be occuring today, due to the [apparent] saturation of sex in the media.
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