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You have no right to issue baseless ad hominem attacks. Your accusing me of jealousy and boredom has NO merit.
You would not call a person who told you that a burglar would be breaking into your garage to steal your car at 12:00 PM the next day jealous of the burglar or bored of minding his/her own business. Instead, you would take appropriate action to evaluate the problem, see if there is a problem, and probably make sure that both your cars were elsewhere that day and that the police are informed.
I am trying to do a service by pointing out a dubious ministry that has decieved people and whose goal seems to be delivering people from their cash more than delivering them from anything else.
I am NOT doing this because I am jealous, bored, or anything else. I am doing this because I want to save people some unneeded heartache and sorrow when this scam collapses like Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker's.
And to the comment that this is a "school," it is not a school, at least not in the traditional sense.
REAL ministry schools/Bible colleges/Christian colleges require much more than financial payouts and a few weeks to a year or so of learning. They require a two to four committment. They allow you to practice ministry in the meantime before all your money is paid (and many actually require that you are in active ministry of some form while taking the classes). They have classes on all subjects that a Christian pastor/counselor/teacher is likely to run into rather than simply demons, MPD, childhood abuse, and a few token courses. When you graduate, you get accreditation that allows you to serve anywhere in that capacity within the denomination of which the school is a part, and usually even outside that denomination: not just within the group itself. Lastly, real colleges/schools advertise themselves as such, not as "ministry teams" or "the ministry."
I know this because an acquaintance of mine is studying to be a social worker or Christian counselor. It is long, hard work. It is NOT paying the school $4,000 and then being a part of the "Elite Ministry Team."
IMHO, if DWJD and BL are indeed a school, they should clearly state that they are a school, provide a little more well-rounded of a diagnosis curruicula (such as classes on non-demonic mental disorders and much more study work on everything so the graduates are much more knowledgable about what they are fighting, at least a 2-year program), and also be completely upfront about the cash requirements for the classes.
If they want to be ministry only (which is what they pretend to be) they should stop demanding exorbitant donations "in order to become the elite" and a smaller donation to be something lesser. Instead, it should be one uniform reasonable donation for all, it should be somewhat confirmed that the person is called to the ministry BEFORE they pay the money, and it should not make any pretense of equipping people for general ministry outside of this one small section of deliverance ministry.
The burden of proof is on those of us who allege Mr. Larson and DWJD are engaging in fraudulent and deceptive practices, yes. However it is easily met that at the very least, there is cause for further investigation and for a reasonable degree of wariness about financially contributing to either until the questions have been resolved.
You would not call a person who told you that a burglar would be breaking into your garage to steal your car at 12:00 PM the next day jealous of the burglar or bored of minding his/her own business. Instead, you would take appropriate action to evaluate the problem, see if there is a problem, and probably make sure that both your cars were elsewhere that day and that the police are informed.
I am trying to do a service by pointing out a dubious ministry that has decieved people and whose goal seems to be delivering people from their cash more than delivering them from anything else.
I am NOT doing this because I am jealous, bored, or anything else. I am doing this because I want to save people some unneeded heartache and sorrow when this scam collapses like Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker's.
And to the comment that this is a "school," it is not a school, at least not in the traditional sense.
REAL ministry schools/Bible colleges/Christian colleges require much more than financial payouts and a few weeks to a year or so of learning. They require a two to four committment. They allow you to practice ministry in the meantime before all your money is paid (and many actually require that you are in active ministry of some form while taking the classes). They have classes on all subjects that a Christian pastor/counselor/teacher is likely to run into rather than simply demons, MPD, childhood abuse, and a few token courses. When you graduate, you get accreditation that allows you to serve anywhere in that capacity within the denomination of which the school is a part, and usually even outside that denomination: not just within the group itself. Lastly, real colleges/schools advertise themselves as such, not as "ministry teams" or "the ministry."
I know this because an acquaintance of mine is studying to be a social worker or Christian counselor. It is long, hard work. It is NOT paying the school $4,000 and then being a part of the "Elite Ministry Team."
IMHO, if DWJD and BL are indeed a school, they should clearly state that they are a school, provide a little more well-rounded of a diagnosis curruicula (such as classes on non-demonic mental disorders and much more study work on everything so the graduates are much more knowledgable about what they are fighting, at least a 2-year program), and also be completely upfront about the cash requirements for the classes.
If they want to be ministry only (which is what they pretend to be) they should stop demanding exorbitant donations "in order to become the elite" and a smaller donation to be something lesser. Instead, it should be one uniform reasonable donation for all, it should be somewhat confirmed that the person is called to the ministry BEFORE they pay the money, and it should not make any pretense of equipping people for general ministry outside of this one small section of deliverance ministry.
The burden of proof is on those of us who allege Mr. Larson and DWJD are engaging in fraudulent and deceptive practices, yes. However it is easily met that at the very least, there is cause for further investigation and for a reasonable degree of wariness about financially contributing to either until the questions have been resolved.
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