Abraham and Isaac

[ebia]

So, I post a decent breakdown refuting your application of those terms and you just reject it? I knew this would happen, thus why I said:

If it had been your own work I'd go through it point by point. If it were academic work then it would deserve an academic response.

 

[Blessedj01]

If it had been your own work I'd go through it point by point. If it were academic work then it would deserve an academic response.

Cop-out response.

 

[ebia]

Cop-out response.

Am i too lazy to deal point by point with random drivel cut-n-pasted from the Internet? Guilty as charged.

You've cited a website.
I've cited two world class biblical scholars, each a professor at a very highly regarded academic institution.

 

[Blessedj01]

You don't seem to like it because it quite matter of factly proved you wrong. These passages are from the Bible.

For example, "Daniel 12:2

"Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt."

And you're trying to tell me that no-one in the OT had a concept of an afterlife?

You can kick and scream all you like but the Bible won't change. You didn't address the piece I posted but you didn't address my own personal arguements either - you didn't address Genesis 49. You didn't address Isaiah 26:1-21. You call this "drivel," - well I call it the Bible.

It's not some quack's website, it's a Bible Study organization. You obviously place more importance in validating the academic works of your theological heroes than you do in the simple truth of scripture.

 

[ebia]

You don't seem to like it because it quite matter of factly proved you wrong. These passages are from the Bible.

For example, "Daniel 12:2

I think I already noted Daniel 12 as the exception that proves the rule. Daniel was only written around 167bc, the period when the notion of resurrection was appearing. well after any other OT book in the Protestant canon.

You call this "drivel," - well I call it the Bible.

No, I called the website drivel, iirc. Please do not misrepresent.

It's not some quack's website, it's a Bible Study organization.

Anyone can set up a bible study organisation.

 

[ebia]

you didn't address Genesis 49.

Yes I did. You just didn't like my response.

See also the CEBs translation of the text:

"Now that I am going to join my people in death, bury me with my fathers in the cave that is in the field of Ephron the Hittite, at Machpelah east ofMamre in the land of Canaan. Abraham bought this cave and field from Ephron for a burial ground. That is where they buried Abraham and his wife Sarah; that is where they buried Isaac and his wife Rebecca; and that is where I buried Leah. The field and the cave in it were bought from the Hittites. Bury me there." When Jacob had finished giving instructions to his sons, he lay back down and died.

You didn't address Isaiah 26:1-21.

I don't recall you bringing up Isaiah 26 before.
I'm not sure how you think it supports your point.

You obviously place more importance in validating the academic works of your theological heroes than you do in the simple truth of scripture.

On the contrary, I'm not obsessed with maintaining a modern Protestant tradition over what the biblical text actually said in its original context.

 

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Joh_5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

People still search for something that is without, as if eternal life is merchandise, to be sold or gained.

 

[ebia]

First you said there was no afterlife. Then there was Sheol. First there was no mention of an afterlife in the OT, now you say there was in Daniel. You're constantly shifting the goalposts.

No, I mentioned Daniel before, along with Maccabees.

For the sake of actually saying anything we necessarily simplify.

Sheol is not really life - its an idea of what happens when you die but to call it an afterlife is misleading. It's a shadowy non-life. Nothing like what Christians normally have

How is the website drivel? Could you do better? The website didn't make any assertions outside of scripture, so I don't believe I'm misrepresenting you.

It's not hard to take verses out of the bible and construct complete drivel around/with them. There are masses if websites that do that.

Here's another page you can read.

Want to cite something, go to stuff written by a serious biblical scholar - then Ill read it.

I'm not responding to this thread again.

Didn't you say that before?

 

[ebia]

I'm not responding to this thread again.

Either walk away or continue the conversation here in public.