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[Wolseley]

IHS can also stand for Iesus, Hominum Salvator, or "Jesus, Savior of Mankind", but I think was actually thought up later.

 

[Miss Shelby]

Or howbout' In His Service--but that would have to have the Miss Shelby copyright.

Michelle

 

[Blackwing]

good one miss shelby

 

[Malachi383]

Ah yes, good ole Jack Chick. I have a friend who was having coffee downtown one day. He has bad eyesight, and needs glasses. He didnt have his on, but still managed to spot a Jack Chick tract a block away on the ground. So he went over to investigate to find that some people from one of the local churches were passing them out. He called me up and the fun began. We drove around and tracked them down. First, we collected as many as we could. Then we began to talk about some of the contents of them. By the time we were finished we had roughly 60 tracts between us. They, being Jack Chick Productions, also sent me the full set for free. I find they make good fire starting material.

I have another friend who tried to actually email Jack Chick. He got someone in the public relations office who ended up dazed, confused, and refusing further comment.

http://net2.netacc.net/~mafg/jtchick/jtc02.html

This is a great site that basically rips aparts his tracts, some of which page by page.

 

[Wolseley]

I have a huge collection of them right under the bathroom sink, along with my copies of Charles Chiniquy, Loraine Boettner, and Alexander Hislop, just in case I ever happen to run out of toilet paper.

 

[jukesk9]

Yesterday at 11:27 PM Wolseley said this in Post #25

I have a huge collection of them right under the bathroom sink, along with my copies of Charles Chiniquy, Loraine Boettner, and Alexander Hislop, just in case I ever happen to run out of toilet paper.

I laughed pretty hard when I saw that one.  I have like the first four Left Behind books (why I made it to two, I'll never know) but they're up in the attic, probably to never be read again.  Curious, did you actually pay for Hislop's and Boettner's books?!?

 

[Budge]

Curious, did you actually pay for Hislop's and Boettner's books?!?

Now Wols did you really *read* those books...Aren't they on the Index or something?

 

[seebs]

I have always been too afraid to read the Left Behind books. My faith withstands atheism and doubt just fine, but I can't take being associated with people like that.

 

[Wolseley]

Curious, did you actually pay for Hislop's and Boettner's books?!?

The copy I have of Boettner was given to my wife by a Baptist minister who was trying to "save" her from the terrible errors of "Romanism", and I paid maybe 60¢ for Hislop in a used book store.

I did, however, pay full price for a paperback copy of Dave Hunt's comic book, A Woman Rides the Beast, because I was debating a guy at work and needed to go through the stupid thing point by point and highlight the fables it contained.

Now Wols did you really *read* those books...Aren't they on the Index or something?

Yes, Budge, I actually read those books.

[needle]

You, on the other hand, have apparently failed to read up much on the Catholic Church you like to claim you know so much about, because if you had, you'd know that the Index of Forbidden Books and all penalties attatched to it was abolished on June 14, 1966.

[/needle]

 

[Budge]

No I knew the Index had been ended Wols, I was just joking

Course having a list of forbidden books Id be one of the first to run out and read them. When I was a kid and I read about banned books, Id go read them just upon finding out there were banned. I hate Harry Potter but I would never agree with book censorship. I guess its the library-lover in me. I know theyd go after any books that are controversial.

I own books of the opposite side so to speak like you own Boettner and Hislop, I own at least 50-60 Catholic books though I sold some off to used book stores when I converted out.

Hey Wols remember the conversations on Hunts book on the EP board? Those were interesting. It was good that someone witnessed to you at work.

Seebs, why dont you read Left Behind books? Ive read about 5-6 of them. Thought the character list gets burdensome.

 

[Hoonbaba]

Oh geez...hehe personally, I find the Left Behind books a complete waste of time in terms of how 'the end of the world' is supposed to happen. Too many people go fanatic about the end of the world saying that we're living in the end times (Acts 2:17, Hebrews 1:2, 1 John 2:18), when of course the end of the age...the end of biblical Judaism happened in the first century.

Anyway, some of what I'm saying probably sounds strange, but the last days were in the first century, not 2000 years later. Fortunately, Catholics like Scott Hahn and protestants like R.C. Sproul and even Bible Answer Man, Hank Hanegraaff, is also in agreement with what I'm saying.

Actually, I think I'll stop ranting about the 'end times controversy'. I just get irritated whenever someone says we're living in the end times. heh, sorry =P

-Jason

 

[seebs]

Well, this isn't entirely topical, but... I don't read Left Behind books because the entire rapture thing as understood in modern evangelical theology feels to me like those bumper stickers - "Jesus is coming! Look busy!" I hate them for turning Christianity into a cult expecting the end of the world any minute now; it's been 2000 years, and 99% of the people who ever expected Judgement Day to come before they died are long-dead. I prefer to focus on doing God's work in the world I live in, and not waste my time speculating on when He'll next change things. When He does, I'll find out, and I just have to trust Him. I hate the attitude that we need to prepare specially; IMHO, if what you'd do before the rapture isn't what you'd do the rest of the time, something is desparately wrong.

I don't even particularly *believe* in the rapture; it's another of those things that got invented in the last couple hundred years as people started clinging to literalism as an easier and less challenging approach to the Bible. I don't like that either.

But don't mind me. I'm a grumpy old curmudgeon, and I don't like *anything*.

 

[jukesk9]

Today at 02:08 PM seebs said this in Post #32


But don't mind me. I'm a grumpy old curmudgeon, and I don't like *anything*.

I h-a-t-e-d turning 30.........

 

[ZooMom]

Today at 02:51 PM Budge said this in Post #30

It was good that someone witnessed to you at work.

I'm...uh...not quite sure what to make of this comment.



I've read all but the last of the LB books, and I must say that the only reason I am not reading them anymore is sheer boredom with the 'plot' (and I use the term loosely). Of course, I didn't approach the books with any kind of spiritual expectations, so I think of them as mediocre SciFi/Fantasy.

To be perfectly fair though, I suppose you could say that the LB books are indirectly responsible for my conversion to the Catholic faith. Maybe I ought to write the authors and thank them.

 

[sklippstein]

ha the LB books are an "interesting" read.

 

[VOW]

To Jukes:

30, I didn't mind. 50 was another story!

I've read the "Left Behind" books. The first two or three were okay, I guess. I didn't appreciate being slapped up side the head by the blatant anti-Catholicism, but I wanted to see what the big deal was about.

The books started to get sillier and sillier. The main character, Rafe, could fly anything with wings. The Tribulation Force could find undestroyed shelter when earthquakes had leveled everything around them. If injured, they healed almost overnight. The medical information was so unbelievably BAD (giving a head injury patient a morphine-Prozac combination drug?????), and details have a tendency to morph from one book to the next. Hey, as a writer (amateur, at best), even *I* know that you keep track of details because people CARE! Directions are screwed up, north and south flip flop as often as east and west.

I think if Jenkins and LaHaye had taken some TIME and thought out the entire series and proofread the books, and bothered to do some research, it might have made a pretty good sci-fi series. But when folks use "over and out" and concoct strange drug combinations, never make it clear who is a good guy and who is not (WAS Amanda a mole, or did she really love Rafe?), and don't pay attention to simple continuity....you lose credibility.


Peace,
~VOW

 

[Susan]

I must agree with you there

 

[Wolseley]

Today at 02:51 PM Budge said this in Post #30

It was good that someone witnessed to you at work.

Before you get your joy buzzers out, Budge, you might want to know that before our discussions were finished, he not only lost the debate, he also lost a lot of confidence in dispensational teaching. He was unable to come up with anything to counter the theological, historical, logical, and hermeneutical arguments I presented against the "secret rapture" nonsense that he'd been taught all his life.

The last I heard, he had left the Fundamentalist church he'd been attending and had become a Wisconsin Synod Lutheran.

Good for him.

As for the "Left Behind" books, I read 1½ of them, and quit. They were puerile. The characters were never developed, the plots were ludicrous, and the situations were so outlandish as to be cartoonish. I was so disgusted with them that I spent the next two weeks reading H.P. Lovecraft stories in revenge.

Lovecraft was much better. Cthulhu makes Nicolai look like a Baptist Sunday school teacher.

 

[ZooMom]

You always make my day, Wols. Peace be with you.

 

[Budge]

You all probably wont believe this but I was disappointed in the Left Behind books as they progressed. I am very picky about my fiction. A book has to be good if its fiction and I saw too much formula, too many characters, impossible plot lines and even a bit of playing around with scripture though I am a pre-tribber. I did stop reading them after the 4th book I believe. And read the first 3 in a week of illness sometime around 1997, 8?

Before you get your joy buzzers out, Budge, you might want to know that before our discussions were finished, he not only lost the debate, he also lost a lot of confidence in dispensational teaching. He was unable to come up with anything to counter the theological, historical, logical, and hermeneutical arguments I presented against the "secret rapture" nonsense that he'd been taught all his life.

Well everyone will come to different conclusions. I read the Rapture Trap by Thigpen before I exited the Catholic church and did not agree with his theological or historical outlooks (he is a Catholic who is against Rapture teachings) Ive read the other side so to speak---in a variety of places and even found evidence that amillenialism came about during the time of Augustine and his book "the City of God". (I made an error---Augustine was not the first amillenialist but it was around this time that amillenialism took hold of the Church. I *think* youre a college professor (dont remember where I read this, correct me if I am wrong)-Wols, so I can understand how even intellectually you could persuade someone to your point of view. But in the end we all have to make the decision as to what we will believe

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As for the "Left Behind" books, I read 1½ of them, and quit. They were puerile. The characters were never developed, the plots were ludicrous, and the situations were so outlandish as to be cartoonish. I was so disgusted with them that I spent the next two weeks reading H.P. Lovecraft stories in revenge.

Ive read Lovecraft. I used to be into horror in my youth. its not for me anymore. I know his horror is more developed past John Saul's I actually agree with many of your opinions regarding Left Behind. I wont read what I call formulaic fiction--this means I am annoyed by everything from John Grisham books to Danielle Steel and I hate to say it but some bad writing techniques did take place in the Left Behind series. I perfer Non-fiction by far--I have a collection of books on religion by the way. My husband is publishing his first book in June. So writing is important to our lives. I know I am more gifted in art but I do pursue some of it.

Lovecraft was much better. Cthulhu makes Nicolai look like a Baptist Sunday school teacher.

I found Nicolai to be too wimpy to be a good Anti-Christ. Even Stalin makes the guy look like a choirboy.