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Abortions just as common in countries that ban it as in ones that don't: study

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Actually, I was going to point out that the impossibility of accurate reporting there combined with the general lack of access to things like safe abortion clinics is skewing the numbers to a rather significant degree.

Are you suggesting you wish there were more, and safer?, abortions in Africa?
 
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Are you suggesting you wish there were more, and safer?, abortions in Africa?
No. I'm saying that your attempt to draw a meaningful comparison between Africa's abortion rate and the abortion rate of western countries is pointless.
 
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No. I'm saying that your attempt to draw a meaningful comparison between Africa's abortion rate and the abortion rate of western countries is pointless.

The article printed the comparison between the two. If it wasn't meaningful why do you suppose they kept it in the article?
 
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The article printed the comparison between the two. If it wasn't meaningful why do you suppose they kept it in the article?
Perhaps they felt it was an interesting factoid? It should be obvious that the procedure's legality is far from the only factor lowering the number of procedures in Africa.
 
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Perhaps they felt it was an interesting factoid? It should be obvious that the procedure's legality is far from the only factor lowering the number of procedures in Africa.

The epidemiological differences between Africa and the U.S. are many and varied. E.g., look at the great difference between the U.S. and Africa in AIDS vectors, how widespread or not it is, levels of literacy and education and poverty rates,, vast difference in religious beliefs, etc.

I think we can only safely say that abortion is quite common in Africa, it is one of the more common forms of birth control, and Africans will continue in this vein, whether their governments make the procedure illegal or not, and whether we here in the U.S. like it or not.

As to abortion in the U.S., even back when it was illegal (before 1973) there were hundreds of thousands of abortions each year in the U.S. If Roe vs. Wade is overturned, at least a quarter if not more of the states will enact laws making abortion legal – and anyone except the absolute poorest women will be able to travel from the other states to get an abortion – the very poor will just use the local abortionist, who will probably not be a doctor.

IOW, where is the evidence that making abortion illegal will do anything positive? It is a vein hope. There are certain private activities that no government, short of a 1984 scenario, can control at all. Marijuana use is another example. Private homosexual behavior is another. The use of alcoholic beverages is another (i.e., utter prohibition).

Abortion will be reduced to its absolute minimum by advances in technology in birth control and in improvement in education. The idea that prohibition is the way to go is a sheer utopian idealism, like the inevitability of communism. This cry of “abortion is murder” has been going on now in the U.S. for thirty-four years now, and at no time did more that 20 per cent of the population agree. Where is the evidence that that will EVER change?

Those who hate abortion should spend their time and energy and money doing something that will actually make a difference.

Too much to ask, I suppose.
 
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Perhaps we could come up with a better way of hanging clothes and make the coat hanger an object of the past. I am sure our inventiveness can get us away from the back alley abortion.
It's called the doorknob.
 
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Perhaps we could come up with a better way of hanging clothes and make the coat hanger an object of the past. I am sure our inventiveness can get us away from the back alley abortion.

Good analogy, my friend. Banning coat hangers to prevent abortions would be no more or less effective, and no more or less rational, than attempting to stop abortions by direct legal prohibition.

There will be about 40,000,000 abortions next year, world wide, and there is nothing any of us can really do about it.

Oh, and by the way - the year after next? - another 40,000,000 abortions. Ditto the year after that. And the year after that. And so on.
 
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