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No; it's man who has messed it up - human beings say "stuff God, we'll do it our way".
And look how that's turned out.
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If he saw things were very good, knowing what would happen (as he's all knowing), then the current state of the world is what god intended it to be.
If your religion works for you fine, but it never worked for me, and I am glad I lost it.
No; it's man who has messed it up - human beings say "stuff God, we'll do it our way".
And look how that's turned out.
Which is irrelevant... If all happens according to god's plan, then whatever moves black decides to make will also be predetermined by the plan.
The fact white will win is part of the plan, and all of the moves from both teams would also happen according to the plan. That's what "all happens according to god's plan" means.
If all happens according to god's plan, then there is only one sequence of moves that black can make from this point on until they are eventually checkmated. If god's plan has you moving the black rook forward three spaces on your next move, you don't really have any option. All you have is the illusion of a choice.
But the bible does not say god's plan is the overall long term picture, it says all things happen according to god's plan based on what he decided at the beginning.
Ephesians 1:11 - All things are done according to God's plan and decision; and God chose us to be his own people in union with Christ because of his own purpose, based on what he had decided from the very beginning.
The reality is your solution doesn't work either, major events are made up of thousands of small decisions by people. It's like the butterfly effect, minor decisions or events can be critical. For example, if Franz Ferdinand's driver had not decided to change his route, the archduke likely would not have been assassinated. If he wasn't assassinated, then there's no catalyst for world war one. Without world war one, there's likely no rise of the nazi's, no second world war, no holocaust, etc. There's likely no communist revolution in Imperial Russia. The European monarchies wouldn't have fallen, and the European empires of the 1800's would have stayed in a dominant position of power for much longer, maybe even to the present day. The course of global politics was changed forever because of what side street Archduke Franz Ferdinand's driver decided to drive down at that particular time of day. You can't separate minor decisions from major events. It's all ultimately intertwined.
What major world leader never rose to power and changed the course of history, because he went into work five minutes later than planned and was killed in a car crash on the way? We'll never know, but I bet there's countless examples that if minor events went a slightly different way that we could find ourselves living in a very different world.
So, you're saying that not all things happen according to god's plan then?
The previous posts don't do the Biblical god any favours, they try to make excuses for its evil character if it exists.
And one is supposed to take your opinion more seriously, why? If this just boils down to people having an opinion, how are you not slipping into postmodernism?That's your opinion, and how you see it.
And one is supposed to take your opinion more seriously, why? If this just boils down to people having an opinion, how are you not slipping into postmodernism?
No, I was sharing my faith and what the Bible says. If you reject the Bible and are not interested in my faith; so be it.
The defence of the Christian faith is not the subject of this thread; but my views on abortion are affected by what the Bible says, because I am a Christian. That's all.
Affected is not the same as seemingly being the only standard one would use,
Your assuming that this can happen without any implications. I am not sure if you are an expert on these things. You would have to know more than God. How do we know that removing the desire not to do evil acts doesn't remove other things that make us human. Besides I would think removing the desire to do evil would make evil itself meaning less and that is more or less removing goodness and love.An omnipotent god could have created humans with the ability to choose to do acts that we call evil, but without any desire to do so. Free will. No evil acts.
The fact that this isn’t the case indicates that if an omnipotent god exists, this god wanted evil acts to occur more than not.
Your assuming that this can happen without any implications.
How do we know that removing the desire not to do evil acts doesn't remove other things that make us human.
Besides I would think removing the desire to do evil would make evil itself meaning less and that is more or less removing goodness and love.
The deciding factor, according to you, was the quality of being counted. Distance is irrelevant.In my example, you can get as close as you want.
We have yet to see the "demonstrable fact" that the unborn are not persons deserving protection of life.The fact you accept or believe something doesn't mean it's true. If you're going to make laws to govern the land, you had better ground those laws in objective and demonstrable facts.
Sure, just assume what I might say, with no actual specific situation offered for example. Sounds legit.Just because you believe in spirits, souls and angels is not a compelling reason to think those are real things. If another religious group tried passing laws based on their theology, you'd be making the same arguments I am against their efforts.
Which is why I based my argument on science/biology/medicine and logic.Come back with some evidence, laws should not be based on theology alone.
Logic dictates that there’s a fundamental difference between a first trimester fetus, which doesn’t have higher brain functions, and a person that does. And that we already use this same designation to deny rights in other situations.Which is why I based my argument on science/biology/medicine and logic.
"A difference" doesn't automatically equate to "a difference that justifies denying the right to life". You need to explain the specific rights and situations you are referring to.Logic dictates that there’s a fundamental difference between a first trimester fetus, which doesn’t have higher brain functions, and a person that does. And that we already use this same designation to deny rights in other situations.
Human life is not protected. Human beings are.
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