Abortion

[chelsea89]

I've been browsing through a pregnancy forums as of late with all these teen girls getting pregnant, en asking if they should abort. Most of the replies say something to the extent of " you made a mistake, get the abortion life goes on, don't feel guilty it's your body your choice." I'm in disbelief thinking about my three kids, two of which were conceived when I was a teen, and how I couldn't imagine having given up one of them because of finances or emotional situations at the time. Those things were a struggle but soooo temporary!

That being said here comes the moral dilemma... I was asked if I would get am abortion and my first response was a huge scream of emphatic "NO!" but thinking about it now, if I ever get pregnant again ( very small probability with the tubes tied) it would have to be an abortion unless God stepped in and I had no complications (an impossibility). As it is I had two kids under 5lbs in the hospital for a month, and my last baby was 3lbs, I lost a ton of blood resulting in two blood transfusions and I'm still not back to where my iron should be almost a year later. Not to mention the Csection scar opening up several times. With all of this chances are if I were to get pregnant again I can see myself justifying something I hate because I know me and the baby wouldn't survive anyways so why lose two people on a lost hope. It's crazy how morals can be flipped when faced with personal dilemmas.

 

[Soothfish]

I've been browsing through a pregnancy forums as of late with all these teen girls getting pregnant, en asking if they should abort. Most of the replies say something to the extent of " you made a mistake, get the abortion life goes on, don't feel guilty it's your body your choice." I'm in disbelief thinking about my three kids, two of which were conceived when I was a teen, and how I couldn't imagine having given up one of them because of finances or emotional situations at the time. Those things were a struggle but soooo temporary!

That being said here comes the moral dilemma... I was asked if I would get am abortion and my first response was a huge scream of emphatic "NO!" but thinking about it now, if I ever get pregnant again ( very small probability with the tubes tied) it would have to be an abortion unless God stepped in and I had no complications (an impossibility). As it is I had two kids under 5lbs in the hospital for a month, and my last baby was 3lbs, I lost a ton of blood resulting in two blood transfusions and I'm still not back to where my iron should be almost a year later. Not to mention the Csection scar opening up several times. With all of this chances are if I were to get pregnant again I can see myself justifying something I hate because I know me and the baby wouldn't survive anyways so why lose two people on a lost hope. It's crazy how morals can be flipped when faced with personal dilemmas.

It's pretty unlikely that you would ever wind up in that position if things are done correctly. It is much easier to get iron into your own blood than to maintain nutrition in the placenta. This isn't to say that it's a guarantee but a properly scheduled diet will keep you going long after the miscarriage has already occurred.

Life can still be very cruel though. I know of one woman who had to abort because the fetal child was starting to decay while still alive in her womb. The baby was almost certainly going to die anyway but that's besides the point. She waited and waited for a miracle and it never came. She almost gave her life for that baby. I may never understand why God allows this to happen.

Then there are the selfish disgusting women who are perfectly healthy and abort perfectly healthy babies for the dumbest of reasons. Often financial or for sex selection or the boyfriend left her. They regard these babies as their own personal property and therefore refuse to put them up for adoption. As a result it is very difficult for ANYONE to adopt a healthy infant in the USA. You have to go overseas to find one.

That is why I despise the Western world. There are plenty of horrible things going on in the Muslim world but at least your people don't routinely exterminate infants as an expression of power. So you have that going for you.

 

[chelsea89]

I didn't miscarry. I have one kidney and get preeclampsia winch has gotten worse each time. My kids are fine now and so am I but the chances of me producing another healthy offspring without messing up my kidney to the point where I wouldn't be able to carry the pregnancy to term ( I actually never have carried pregnancy to term) and then recovering are slim to none and the risks are going up the older I get and the weaker my kidney gets. I was just highlighting how these people who abort have no idea how lucky they are to have healthy pregnancies and give birth naturally. It's disgusting.

 

[razeontherock]

I didn't miscarry. I have one kidney and get preeclampsia winch has gotten worse each time. My kids are fine now and so am I but the chances of me producing another healthy offspring without messing up my kidney to the point where I wouldn't be able to carry the pregnancy to term ( I actually never have carried pregnancy to term) and then recovering are slim to none and the risks are going up the older I get and the weaker my kidney gets. I was just highlighting how these people who abort have no idea how lucky they are to have healthy pregnancies and give birth naturally. It's disgusting.

Very healthy attitude, Sister!

 

[SharonL]

How God feels about abortion.

Kris Vallotton's dream ( how God feels about abortion ) - YouTube

 

[If Not For Grace]

That is why I despise the Western world

Is this not murder of the heart? Please do not hate. God hates ALL Sin, We act like abortion is so much worse than other "justified" killing, or rape or abuse or gossip. God hates ALL sin. Do Babies go to hell? Most say no, so perhaps the Mother has spared the soul of the child, perhaps not. I do not advocate abortion, however what I would like to see us concentrate on is viable forms of Adoption, make it easy for the unwed mother to use adoption as an option. Also I would like to see us educate our young MEN (who are most often the initiators of sex) to be more responsible in their roles regarding pregnancy.

Let us help the troubled rather than hate the people who find themselves in desperate situations.

 

[Soothfish]

Is this not murder of the heart? Please do not hate. God hates ALL Sin, We act like abortion is so much worse than other "justified" killing, or rape or abuse or gossip. God hates ALL sin. Do Babies go to hell? Most say no, so perhaps the Mother has spared the soul of the child, perhaps not. I do not advocate abortion, however what I would like to see us concentrate on is viable forms of Adoption, make it easy for the unwed mother to use adoption as an option. Also I would like to see us educate our young MEN (who are most often the initiators of sex) to be more responsible in their roles regarding pregnancy.

Let us help the troubled rather than hate the people who find themselves in desperate situations.

I don't think they can be helped. Forget about promoting adoption. Some of us can try to adopt but the rate of infant murder will always exceed the number being placed for adoption. Especially when it comes to healthy newborns. At least half the population of the west is completely selfish and prideful and will never allow it. In most cases they consider their children to be personal property. They will never allow a stranger to have their flesh and blood property just as they would never do anything remotely charitable through any other venue. These people are extremely evil however there is an even worse group, one that is completely beyond redemption. This group is so evil that they have lost their humanity and have become wild animals. They destroy anyone and anything that they get their wild paws on. It's why divorce, abortion, petty theft, child abuse, and political thuggery are skyrocketing. The west is simply the most startling example because these nations used to be exceptionally righteous for a time.

About half of my own generation is little more than wild animals. Whatever used to be human in them died in recent years. I'm not sure they even have souls anymore. They have no capacity for anything other than eating, drinking, screwing, brutalizing, and stealing like a rabid animal. All of their actions indicate that they have neither a super-ego nor the ability to comprehend selfless loving behavior at any level. They will feed their physical lusts without limits and destroy anyone who gets in the way (or at least anyone the state will allow them to destroy). I don't hate them because it makes no sense to hate a wild animal. However, I hate the misery they are bringing into the world and how they are using state-sponsored brainwashing to turn millions of children into beasts instead of souls. So it's not just the world they are destroying. They are also stealing millions of souls from eternity. Maybe God will decide to forcibly transform them at the last minute but that sort of thing is quite rare. Most of these will be lost forever because they were somehow encouraged to let their souls die.

I don't understand why a human being would desire to become a sub-human and then succeed at becoming one forever. This is completely incomprehensible. Pride causes people to turn to sin but this....this is ridiculous. This is beyond sin. They are dead and rotting.

 

[FromTheDarknessToTheLight]

I'm pro-life. It's simple. "Keep it in your pants" They say. I agree. If your stupid enough to get pregnant, it's your fault. Have your man use protection, and take the pill. The idea of abortion enrages me beyond anything else I can really think of. There is no excuse for killing a baby in the womb. Well, some may say "Well, I don't have enough money to support my baby!" Are you joking? That's your excuse to kill your kid? Shame on you. There are places for woman who are with child who are financially disadvantaged to get help. I say if all else fails, put your baby up for adoption. Why kill it? What's wrong with you people who think it is okay? It is NEVER right to kill a baby in the womb. There are other options. There are always other options. I wish I could just slap woman who are pro-abortion, maybe smack some sense into their heads. Wow, look at me go. I'm somewhat upset, sorry.

 

[aiki]

That is why I despise the Western world. There are plenty of horrible things going on in the Muslim world but at least your people don't routinely exterminate infants as an expression of power.

Whoa! My mother frequently reminded me that when I point a finger at someone else, more of my fingers are pointing back at me. In other words, you should be very careful about criticizing others since you aren't perfect yourself.

Muslims may have a better attitude toward unborn children (on this point I remain somewhat skeptical), but they suck royally when it comes to honor killings, oppression of women, violent hatred of other cultures and faiths, and their fanatic desire for world domination. I'd rather live as a Christian in the secular society in which I find myself, than in a society governed by the very Nazi-like beliefs of Islam!

Selah.

 

[SharonL]

I agree, the thought of killing those babies growing secure in their mothers womb. What we do to our babies we would be put in jail if we did it to animals. Who in their right mind would ever even think of a late term baby having a hole poked in its head and its brain sucked out. Makes me sick to think about it. I have a friend that had to assist in the hospital in abortions all the time, not in the US, on this one occasion the tube was clogged up - she had to unclog it - what was clogging it up - the forearm of the baby - they are sucked out piece by piece. This country will pay for those 50 million babies blood on this land.

A man explained a dream he had of Jesus holding the whole world in His arms and the tears running down His face was so great that it was raining all over the world - why? because of all the abortions.

 

[chelsea89]

I didnt mean people with a healthy viable pregnancy people. Im saying like in my case with no chance of carrying the baby to term because of preexisting conditions, if they were to get pregnant on BC, and/or a tubal pregnancy. It gets complicated when the mother will die thus the baby shes carrying will also. Is abortion justified then? And what if the baby is special needs? They wont be adopted! I grew up in foster care, most kids wereny adopted! African American kids especially and all but a handful of those kids are now on drugs, in jail, and or on the path to hell. Thats not merciful.

 

[razeontherock]

I have encountered a total of maybe 2 people that claim abortion is wrong even if carrrying to term meant death for the Mother.

 

[Incariol]

I have encountered a total of maybe 2 people that claim abortion is wrong even if carrrying to term meant death for the Mother.

Really? There are a lot more on this forum than 2, I hate to say.

 

[razeontherock]

Yick. I haven't encountered anyone saying that anywhere but on CF, and I haven't encountered more than that, which is 2 too many.

 

[Incariol]

Yick. I haven't encountered anyone saying that anywhere but on CF, and I haven't encountered more than that, which is 2 too many.

Yeah, I hope you don't have to meet them. If you continue to hang around threads on this subject you will inevitably run into the people who will righteously tell you that it doesn't matter if the mother and child are both dying, anything medical treatment to save the mother but hastens the fetus' demise is murder. Or just repeats the degrading platitude of "a mother should be willing to die for her child".

 

[ViaCrucis]

Yeah, I hope you don't have to meet them. If you continue to hang around threads on this subject you will inevitably run into the people who will righteously tell you that it doesn't matter if the mother and child are both dying, anything medical treatment to save the mother but hastens the fetus' demise is murder. Or just repeats the degrading platitude of "a mother should be willing to die for her child".

I don't think morality should be easy, clean or simple. Real morality is hard and must be done through real circumstances.

I'm reminded of something Bonhoeffer addressed, reflecting on what it means to be ethical and to do the will of God. That is, doing God's will must be understood in each situation, without a simple blanket covering everything. And this also: "…ethics is defined as 'the bold endeavor to speak about the way in which the form of Jesus Christ takes form in our world'". We must truly seek the heart of Christ in every situation, and not simply offer squeaky clean moralisms as though that settles anything in any meaningful way.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[aiki]

I didnt mean people with a healthy viable pregnancy people. Im saying like in my case with no chance of carrying the baby to term because of preexisting conditions, if they were to get pregnant on BC, and/or a tubal pregnancy. It gets complicated when the mother will die thus the baby shes carrying will also. Is abortion justified then?

Should a woman who knows she runs potentially lethal risks in being pregnant ever get pregnant? It seems to me that any responsible woman would say, "No." If she does get pregnant and it's a toss-up between her life and that of her baby, the baby should not be the one to pay the price for the mother's carelessness. This seems terribly obvious to me.

If both mother and child will die if birth occurs, and the mother had no prior knowledge that such a circumstance would come to pass, and the child will die regardless of whether or not the mother is saved, then it seems obvious that the mother should be saved.

And what if the baby is special needs? They wont be adopted!

You don't know that. I know of several instances where special needs children were adopted precisely because they were special needs. Certainly, murdering an unborn special needs child is not a better option.

I grew up in foster care, most kids wereny adopted! African American kids especially and all but a handful of those kids are now on drugs, in jail, and or on the path to hell. Thats not merciful.

You really think murdering unborn children because their future prospects seem dim to you is right?

Selah.

 

[aiki]

Or just repeats the degrading platitude of "a mother should be willing to die for her child".

Why is this a "degrading platitude"?

Selah.