Abortion

[HumbleServant94]

Alright, there's a law stating that if you kill a pregnant woman, you are responsible for two lives: the baby and the mother. But when you do an abortion it's not considered murder. What is up with that? That is such a blatant contradiction. It doesn't make any sense. What are your thoughts?

 

[Nathan45]

The point of the law is that people who attack pregnant woman should go to jail for a long time. These laws clearly do not apply to abortion, and the fact that some states write these kinds of laws says nothing about the morality of abortion.

 

[HumbleServant94]

The point of the law is that people who attack pregnant woman should go to jail for a long time. These laws clearly do not apply to abortion, and the fact that some states write these kinds of laws says nothing about the morality of abortion.

It's just that it doesn't make sense. Killing the baby in the mother's womb by killing the mother counts as murdering the baby and the mother. But with abortion it's not considered murder. What is up with that?

 

[Garyzenuf]

What if she was planning on an abortion, still murder?

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[HumbleServant94]

What if she was planning on an abortion, still murder?

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That would make it planned murder. Did you know aborted baby parts are sold on the black market?

 

[Washington]

Alright, there's a law stating that if you kill a pregnant woman, you are responsible for two lives: the baby and the mother. But when you do an abortion it's not considered murder. What is up with that? That is such a blatant contradiction. It doesn't make any sense. What are your thoughts?

I agree. It doesn't make sense. In fact, it's a federal law, and a law in 33-35 states (number varies with the source used).

Look up "Unborn Victims of Violence Act" for more info.

 

[Garyzenuf]

That would make it planned murder. Did you know aborted baby parts are sold on the black market?

For what?

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[HumbleServant94]

For what?

Don't know. I just know it happens. Also the mothers that give up their babies usually end up guilty and depressed over the loss. They usually mourn. And 95% of abortions happen by sticking a needle through the babies head and sucking it out of the mother's body into a container. It is then either dumped or sold.

 

[Garyzenuf]

I agree. It doesn't make sense. In fact, it's a federal law, and a law in 33-35 states (number varies with the source used).

Look up "Unborn Victims of Violence Act" for more info.

Do they(?) justify it on the basis of choice?

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[Washington]

Do they(?) justify it on the basis of choice?

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Scanning a few of the laws, that's what it looks like. If a mother chooses to have an abortion it isn't a violation of any law, but if the embryo/fetus dies as a result of someone else's action in contradiction to the mother's wishes, it then becomes an actionable offense.

 

[HumbleServant94]

Scanning a few of the laws, that's what it looks like. If a mother chooses to have an abortion it isn't a violation of any law, but if the embryo/fetus dies as a result of someone else's action in contradiction to the mother's wishes, it then becomes an actionable offense.

Once again, the laws of man are not only contradicting to the laws of God, but they contradict themselves.

 

[Washington]

the mothers that give up their babies usually end up guilty and depressed over the loss. They usually mourn.

What is your source of information on this?

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Alright, there's a law stating that if you kill a pregnant woman, you are responsible for two lives: the baby and the mother. But when you do an abortion it's not considered murder. What is up with that? That is such a blatant contradiction. It doesn't make any sense. What are your thoughts?

The log ride is scary. Revenge of of the chocolate chips remains unsettled. Only the cheese-burglar knows how to cook silk.

 

[HumbleServant94]

What is your source of information on this?

Read some books with a Christian perspective that told some mothers' stories.

 

[WatersMoon110]

Don't know. I just know it happens. Also the mothers that give up their babies usually end up guilty and depressed over the loss. They usually mourn. And 95% of abortions happen by sticking a needle through the babies head and sucking it out of the mother's body into a container. It is then either dumped or sold.

Most of those things are not true. I believe that you have been misled.

The "products of conception" are disposed of as all biological waste is. It would be highly illegal and very hard to steal medical waste and sell it on the black market.

Many women might later regret their abortions, but there are also women who regret their children. In reality, there is no more chance of mental trauma from having an abortion than there is from carrying an unintentional pregnancy to term.

And almost 90% of abortion are done before week 12 of pregnancy. Here is a chart from here:

Suction abortion removes the entire unborn human - not just the brain. You can read more about different abortion techniques, and what stage of pregnancy they are done in, here. And here is a small chart, showing which methods are done at which stage(s) of pregnancy:

I also feel it is worth it to note that abortions are done at the same rate, regardless of if they are illegal or legal within a country. So making abortion illegal doesn't make it stop.

Read some books with a Christian perspective that told some mothers' stories.

Not everything you read is fact. I imagine that these books were either mistaken or outdated.

And fetal homicide laws generally only apply after viability - and as has already been pointed out, most specifically exclude abortion. Though, personally, I don't agree with them. I think that killing a woman, pregnant or not, should get someone a long time in prison. I do not think that there is a need to specifically punish someone for killing a pregnant woman - what matters to me is that they are punished for killing a woman.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Read some books with a Christian perspective that told some mothers' stories.

Surely it would be far more logical to read studies that give an unbiased and neutral meta-analysis of a very large number of abortion cases? Reading abortion books with a 'Christian perspective' is like reading evolution from a 'Biblical perspective': it sets one up for boas and misinformation.

And baby parts on the black market? Could you cite your sources, please?

 

[HumbleServant94]

Most of those things are not true. I believe that you have been misled.

The "products of conception" are disposed of as all biological waste is. It would be highly illegal and very hard to steal medical waste and sell it on the black market.

Many women might later regret their abortions, but there are also women who regret their children. In reality, there is no more chance of mental trauma from having an abortion than there is from carrying an unintentional pregnancy to term.

And almost 90% of abortion are done before week 12 of pregnancy. Here is a chart from here:

Suction abortion removes the entire unborn human - not just the brain. You can read more about different abortion techniques, and what stage of pregnancy they are done in, here. And here is a small chart, showing which methods are done at which stage(s) of pregnancy:

I also feel it is worth it to note that abortions are done at the same rate, regardless of if they are illegal or legal within a country. So making abortion illegal doesn't make it stop.

Not everything you read is fact. I imagine that these books were either mistaken or outdated.

And fetal homicide laws generally only apply after viability - and as has already been pointed out, most specifically exclude abortion. Though, personally, I don't agree with them. I think that killing a woman, pregnant or not, should get someone a long time in prison. I do not think that there is a need to specifically punish someone for killing a pregnant woman - what matters to me is that they are punished for killing a woman.

The law states that the person that kills a pregnant woman is responsible for two lives. And it doesn't matter if it's before twelve weeks. It's still a human baby. It's still a life not just some thing you can pop like a pimple.


And I wasn't talking about sucking just the brain. I meant the needle goes through the brain and sucks the baby out.

 

[Bombila]

Humble Servant, you are still spreading false ideas about abortion methods, and need to read better sources of information. You say: "And I wasn't talking about sucking just the brain. I meant the needle goes through the brain and sucks the baby out." Procedures even vaguely resembling your description are not used until after the sixteenth week, which includes only about 4% of abortions, so you are wildly exaggerating the issue. Also, the point of decompressing the fetal head during these late and rare abortions is to avoid pain and injury to the woman.

Anti-choice advocates do themselves no favours by exaggerating and dramatizing medical procedures, and by pretending that the unusual is common, and by ignoring the fact that most late abortions are done because something has gone very wrong with a pregnancy, such as anencephaly or that the woman is carrying a dead fetus.

Such fooling around with the truth causes honest people to doubt everything they say or write, and to doubt their motives as well.

 

[TheBear]

Alright, there's a law stating that if you kill a pregnant woman, you are responsible for two lives: the baby and the mother. But when you do an abortion it's not considered murder. What is up with that? That is such a blatant contradiction. It doesn't make any sense. What are your thoughts?

It doesn't make a lot of sense.

I'll add another twist to the scenario. A pregnant woman gets murdered while on her way to the abortion clinic. Should the murderer be charged with a double murder?

 

[HumbleServant94]

It doesn't make a lot of sense.

I'll add another twist to the scenario. A pregnant woman gets murdered while on her way to the abortion clinic. Should the murderer be charged with a double murder?

Yes he should. Babies are people too. You wouldn't want to kill a baby outside the mother's womb. Yet it's okay to kill a baby inside the mother's womb? That's crazy.

"The nation that kills the baby inside the mother's womb has lost it's soul"-Mother Teresa