Abortion

[DaQo'tah]

You and I both have lived to see a very bad thing take hold to our country...

We grew up in a time when all boys had dads at home who were married to their moms,,,but now, the very idea of a young man's dad being around, let alone being married to their moms is unheard of.

This type of change has been nothing but harmfull to our country..and yet this didnt just happen overnight.

..When we were kids, If the goverment would have forced all the dads in America to leave home and not come back, (nor even phone the kids at Christmas), there would have been revoution!...Gun fights in the streets....Nothing could have kept our dads from staying in the home with their familys...


But today,...many dads are never there,,,and the moms of this age seem to have "boy friends"...lots of Boy friends..

Today we see abortion kill the children of men and women who dont know any better, for they didnt get to see what "Normal" life was ment to be...

And where is this going?....In 30-40 years from now, what will we be left with?...will killing unwanted children be common?...will killing a sick child be common?.....Will a brother stand looking in the back yard of the future,,,and see no one?...

I believe that Abortion is an evil that is part of where we are falling,,,Abortion is also a way to fall faster,,,

You must understand,,,I hear Liberals get all upset when they see some signs that people of faith are working to end the killing of little children, and the liberals screem that "Rights" are being taken away ..

But you have to understand, That as a person of Faith, I dont believe that evil is just comming,,,it's HERE!.

..slowly over the last generation we have seen proof that we are falling into sin as a People...Abortion is just not effecting the baby, and the mother,,,it effects us all,,even people of faith like myself, for slowly we seem to "get used" to the idea that some children can be put to death without the rest of the country getting upset....for millions of children here,,,perhaps 100 times that world wide, are put to death haveing done nothing wrong but be alive.

no riot in the streets,,,no revolution,,,,even for the Faithfull Christian, Abortion has become,,,common...

 

[Ampmonster]

*whistles*
i'd like to think that example is not indicative of an entire average. maybe because it was a daycare. still terrible tho

 

[DaQo'tah]

I believe that in the eyes of God*,,,

..that the sin of Abortion is no different than what Hitler did to the jews.

.(*Let us hope that it becomes the same in the eyes of All Americans.)

There is no difference,,helpless people are being killed for the only crime of being alive..

 

[Ampmonster]

and for such a...dumb, selfish reason. (mostly)

 

[DaQo'tah]

"Abortion is a sign that we are falling as a people, But it is also a way to fall faster"

I believe in many ways, we can compare taking strong drugs with abortions,,,

When you know someone who is on drugs, the real strong deadly ones, the ones with strange people in dark rooms with needles...we know that this type of action is a "sign" that the person is in deep personal trouble...Yet the drugs themselves are only going to make this trouble become greater and greater..

The drug use is Both a "Sign" and a "Way" to fall faster...

Abortion is the same in many ways...If a child dies because of an abortion ,it is a clear sign that there is much personal trouble in the life of the mother and father,,,yet at the same time, the Abortion itself is a way for the dad and mom to fall faster and deeper into the same trouble....Abortion is not a way out of trouble,,,its a way to dive "FOREVER" into a deeper personal trouble that the mom and dad will never be able to free themselves from....The abortion never goes away,,,it's always there,,,always pokeing it's head into what should have been "Normal Life"...

Even time spent in prayer , abortion is always there, the person seeks the face of God in prayer, only to find the Lord standing there holding a lifeless child in His arms...

Drug use and abortion,,,are "signs" of falling and a "way" to fall faster...

 

[DaQo'tah]

yes,,,in todays world, a day-care does reflect only a small part of the over-all world,,,But yes. it is also a way to view such a sample in very close ways...

The day-care story is one idea that has been on my mind for a while. When my brother told me the story of what happend,,I knew it "Ment" something important,,,

It shows us in a small way what the world is like for kids growing up now.

What is another way to look at the world of our kids that I know about?......this-

a story...
I have worked for the family business for most of my life (off and on)...I started out working on the different work crews as just a teenager. Most all the other guys were in their 20s and 30s. I grew up and had to go to the many weddings as the guys on my crew got married . Then I had to go to the baptisms of their children latter..

(This is what we should call "Normal Life" by the way. The way Life was ment to run)

Now Im back on the same jobs again helping my family run the crews. But now I have noticed something very different in the lives of the 20 and 30 year old men on my crews...

They just dont get married anymore....Oh, They have kids...I believe that all the young men I work with have a few kids. But in todays world it seems that instead of marring a girl and haveing your children, that it now has become common to have 3 or 4 kids by 3 or 4 different mothers.

I talk to the guys about their kids, and for some, they have not seen their kids but a few times in the last 10 years!.

I once did a little running the numbers of the guys I work with and their situation as far as being a dad, and married....

The answer I came up with shocked me...

except for one lad in his early 30s who is married and now expecting his first child...NONE of the guys who are younger than I am is married to the mother of any of their children.

NONE!.....

For some reason, right after my generation, things changed...and "Dads" became "Missing in action" as far as the child goes...

I believe that the sin of Abortion is mixed up with this falling away...

I believe that abortion is a sign in this new generation that they are falling away from the ideas that are ment to support the family and help the world work correctly.

I also believe that abortion is also a way to allow the American family "idea" to fall away faster...

 

[Iehovah]

Abortion is WRONG. I have had many a heated debate with my friends, whether they be Christian or not, and I always seem to be the bad guy because of my beliefs. Am I the only one who thinks that Chrristians are being censored and ridiculed because we don't share mainstream "cool" beliefs? I am constantly ridiculed because whilst I in no way condemn hate crimes or segregation, I do not agree with homosexual activities. Hopefully no-one here is in that mood.....

 

[Ampmonster]

yeah, trying to save babies is percieved by some as the most heinous thing a body could do.

 

[DaQo'tah]

Iehovah...

when people make fun of you for the ideas given you by Christ,,,then give thanks that God has decided that you are worthy to be part of the sufferings of Christ.


Remember, we who are the footstep followers of christ will not be treated any better by the world than our teacher was...

The world could not stand the words of christ, so the world killed him for speaking truth.

Do not think the world will treat you any better for speaking the same words as that Christ spoke...for it will not.

The world loves it's own, it loves Evil and evil acts of men.
The Christian stands against all evil...
Abortion is always evil...
The Christian stands against abortion..


This means that the world will hate us, seek to shut us up, and to take away our right to speak and disagree with it..

.The advice of the Bible for us is to "Stand Firm!", Hold on to what is true...and trust in the Lord that in all things He is at work to save the lost and to heal the hurting..

so, Speak up against abortion as you are lead by God to speak up! for God is with you and will not part from you.

 

[Ampmonster]

amen, DaQotah!

 

[panterapat]

DaQo'tah,
It's sad- the lack of paternal commitment these days. But it all fits together. It used to be that a man felt an obligation to marry his pregnant girlfriend because of the child. And mostly, it worked out for the better. But today, the baby is just a "blob of tissue" that can be disposed of. Therefore, the father is not needed. Sad. Very sad.

 

[Pooty]

I believe that in the eyes of God*,,,

..that the sin of Abortion is no different than what Hitler did to the jews.

.(*Let us hope that it becomes the same in the eyes of All Americans.)

There is no difference,,helpless people are being killed for the only crime of being alive..

Actually God does say all sins are equal. So really, an a abortion is pretty much only as bad a skipping church.

 

[Havoc]

Hmmm

If fatherhood is so important (and I believe it is), and Christianity was the answer, then you'd think born again Christians would have an extremely low divorce rate. As it is they have the same as non-Christians. Maybe Christ isn't the answer in this case.

 

[DaQo'tah]

pooty....actually all sins are alike in that even the smallest one can send a person the Hell forever..

And they are alike in that only via confession can the judgement of even the smallest sin be taken away by Christ's death on the cross..

But rest asured,,,no two sins are the same in God's eyes,,,god knows that the depth of a sin such as killing one's one child is great,,,,it represents a person who has no idea of the great sadness that such a death causes God,,, an abortion shows a lack of saveing faith in the God of the Bible,,,,and a willingness to place one's own life ahead of a little baby...

so. to sum up,,,all sins are the same if looked at in the light of the death that comes to us when we sin even the smallest sin..

However, as the bible states, some suffer many stripes, and some few stripes....so, let us never think that paying a stranger to kill your own child is the same in God;s eyes as walking against the light...for it is not...

God knows all, God never forgets an abortion,,God always remembers,,,each time someone who thinks that "God must have forgotten my abortion by now, it was so long ago right?", they kneel down in prayer only to find God once again holding onto a small lifeless child'[s body in His arms, and weeping ....the tears the mother must shead in time too....

 

[DaQo'tah]

Havoc...

when people do wrong, they always try to point a finger at someone they think did a bigger sin, and say "At least Im not as bad as that guy"

But this is just not how we christians are to act....we are to confess our sins, so that god can clean us and make us pure...

If we just turn and point to another, we will never see the need to improve, for the world is fulled with Hitlers that make great walls to hide behind.

divorce is so common today for we have lost the path to normal life as give us in the bible....

we are to marry , and have children, and never leave our place in the home...

This is how we are told to live,,,,this is the path of Life that the Bible has given the christian church...

I pity the foolish that dont see that any other path leads to self-indulgement and judgement.

God hates divorce,,,could the bible have made that any more clear?......I dont think so....

yes I pity the foolish that have turned away from what they have been told to do in God's WORD , left their duties as Father, Husband, or Mother, wife....

although God hates all divorce, it must cause Him an extra burden when the person seeking a needless divorce has the gift of salvation...

 

[IvoryRain]

The only way I can answer, I guess, is to say I'm pro choice.

 

[DaQo'tah]

Only way?.....how odd....

anyway...the things we say in this life are able to both bring life, and cause our own death and damnation...

being a Christian means more than just a once a week meeting with other sleepy people,,,,its a Change of heart, as transformation of the heart and soul,,,,from self-centered, to selflessness...

We who are born -Again have put to death the human nature "me first" attitudes that so govern the rest of humanity, in favor of a Christ-likeness. We are ment to be willing to give our lives to the cause of Christ..

How I pity the pro-choice, for they just seem to misunderstand the point of the teachings of Christ....The story of the Good Samaritan is a good one to be our guide here....the good Samaritan never placed his own needs above that of the helpless one he saw lying in need.

Too many people in this world have tried to pave the way to a prosperous future with the blood of sleeping babies.

Too many young girls and young boys have tried to erect a wall between parts of their history and God,,,,,trying desperately to keep God from noticing past sins such as abortions....

But God seeks to stand in the very place we would ban Him from even looking...

The walls we build sure seem to us for a time to have worked,,,we hope that time will make the walls cure and become insurmountable...

However,,,every time such young people kneel in prayer they realize that the wall is a transparent mirage, that they only fooled themselves with...for God has never veered from His steadfast gaze into the depth of the past sin........

How can we survive Him?....we cant...we cant hide anything from god,,,we cant hope time will dim the memory of the Lord,,,...so there is but one Logical Choice in the matter....

Step 1, Repent
Step 2, Confess all
Step 3 Believe that your sins are forgiven
Step 4, Arise, and walk in the New Light of your Soul...

 

[IvoryRain]

Only way?.....how odd....

If you are referring to my post, yes - and I don't really believe it's an odd way to answer.

 

[DaQo'tah]

I believe that it is odd,,,for it is not true at all,,,,as I have pointed out,,,there is another path that lies ahead that will reveal many things in a new Light,,,,,

only way?...no, I believe that another answer pursues you even now....

 

[panterapat]

Hmmm

If fatherhood is so important (and I believe it is), and Christianity was the answer, then you'd think born again Christians would have an extremely low divorce rate. As it is they have the same as non-Christians. Maybe Christ isn't the answer in this case.

Christ IS the answer. It's just that we don't follow Him close enough.