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i WONT say that you are mean.. but you deffinitely are judgemental, which Christians are NOT suppose to beI agree this is off topic and i agree i get a little angry at people that are "pro-baby murderers". Yes God wiped out wicked nations and many people were killed in the Flood but those were special circumstances. You can't use those as examples for someone who goes into a clinic and asked to get a baby sucked out of them with a vacuum. There is no corelation. God would not condone that just b/c he ordered that wicked nations that gave themselves up to all kinds of evil be destroyed as they opposed his chosen nation. Plus that was during the time of the old covenant before we had Christ, His Spirit and the New Covenant. You are comparing apples and oranges when you do that.
I stand by my comment that a person who is "pro-baby murderer" is not a Christian, i just probably shouldn't say that out loud very often. You can think that is judgement or that i'm saying something that only God could say but it's all right in Scripture.
And i am a Christian. The reason being i believe Jesus is the Son of God. I have confessed with my mouth that i am a sinner in need of Grace and i trust the promises of God that he is preparing a place for me in heaven to enjoy his fellowship forever. ALSO, i agree that all his precepts and commandments are good and i desire to follow them and even if i don't, i ask forgiveness and acknowledge them as the Truth.
This is what you lack. You don't value life when you are a "pro-baby murderer" and so you do not agree that God's commands and precepts are Truth. You use emotions, circumstances, and the mom's rights to override God's laws.
You can call me insensitive for saying so or that i'm totally off my rocker, but i believe it. I'm still waiting on verses where God says it is a good thing to kill babies. And you can not just cherry pick 1 or 2 verses from Scripture. You have to take them ALL into account. So i acknowledge the verses in the OT where God commands an innocent nation to be wiped out (which would include women, children and babies) but i also acknowledge all the verses where he punishes people with death for causing the death of a baby in a womans womb (leviticus) and all the other verses where He esteems life above all. The OT verses were special circumstances that you have to keep in their context.
So if you can show me an argument from ALL of Scripture that says murdering babies is OK, i will deeply consider what you have to say and comment on it (and change my viewpoint if you are right). But until then you are just saying, "you are mean" or "you can't live up to the Christian standard" or other things that are way dodging the issue.
I'm not in any way judging, but thats what your statement sounded like.. that you were judging. I don't judge anyone...that isn't my business, rather GOD's.*cough,* performative contradiction, *cough,* *cough*
I'm totally against abortion, and if she's totally full heartedly against abortion she wouldn't even have thoughts about aborting her child if she got pregnant. If she's thinking about the child she should give it up for adoption to a wife and husband that need/want a child. So yeah. She must not totally disagree with it otherwise she wouldn't even think about doing it.Me and my friend were talking about our views on abortion and even though both of us were against it my friend said if she became pregnant in her situation now (student) she would have an abortion. I argued with her as i just don't get if you are so against something why would you do it. I mean I'm not judging anyone who has has an abortion but for me I just couldn't, I know many people have their different reason for having an abortion.
I just wondered what people thought about my friend's attitude of being against it but she would still have one surely they conflict with each other?
Me and my friend were talking about our views on abortion and even though both of us were against it my friend said if she became pregnant in her situation now (student) she would have an abortion. I argued with her as i just don't get if you are so against something why would you do it. I mean I'm not judging anyone who has has an abortion but for me I just couldn't, I know many people have their different reason for having an abortion.
I just wondered what people thought about my friend's attitude of being against it but she would still have one surely they conflict with each other?
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Originally Posted by Vigilante
motion to abort the thread
Now thats an abortion I CAN support.
I'm not in any way judging, but thats what your statement sounded like.. that you were judging. I don't judge anyone...that isn't my business, rather GOD's.
I was just stating what message your comment sent.
I am sorry I implied you as making the judgemental statement. Forgive me... I know you weren't the one who made the comment.Couple points...
1. "My statement"? I haven't written a single post about abortion in this entire thread. You were replying to another poster, remember?
2. Even though I'm outside of this entire conversation, I think you should read this:
Stand to Reason: Scoop on Judging
http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6071
You'll find it helpful (and others in this thread) in understanding the right relationship between Christians and "judging." It's roughly equivalent to one page in MS Word, double-spaced with size "12" font.
Great article
My opinion :
1. Abortion is murder. Point. Can you say that an embryo is not alive and a foetus is, when it's only a difference of age? People aren't alive and dead at the same time.
2. Rather than looking after the consequences of a problem, we should worry after the causes (I know I'm no better than anyone, but this is the point).
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Yes, every medical procedure or condition, including abortion AND pregnancy, have complications and risks, including death. Many women also die of complications of pregnancy and childbirth, which is something that I've noticed that anti-abortion people fail to mention alot of the time. At least Planned Parenthood is honest and admits that there can be severe complications.Legal to protect women? You do realize that women die now during abortions. Of the ones that are ok, how many very much regret even doing it.
Perhaps if they could not walk down the street, throw 500 bucks on the table and have an abortion, they would remember to use birth control next time.
It's not a difference of age at all. It's a difference of physical development, and the difference is HUGE.1. Abortion is murder. Point. Can you say that an embryo is not alive and a foetus is, when it's only a difference of age? People aren't alive and dead at the same time
A fetus (I wrot foetus because in french it's written "foetus") is the prenatal stage of developement that takes place after the 8th week of the gestations (by humans). To make it short :Wait, what's a foetus?
The risk of death would be much higher if abortion were illegal. So yes, keeping abortion legal protects women!
It's not a difference of age at all. It's a difference of physical development, and the difference is HUGE.
A fetus (I wrot foetus because in french it's written "foetus") is the prenatal stage of developement that takes place after the 8th week of the gestations (by humans). To make it short :
fertilisation -> 8th week : embryo
8th week -> birth : fetus
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