Abortion

[aimejl]

this is for school? I am making a new thread with more options in it.

are you against abortion or for it?

please give your reasons for your choice!

 

[devoted daughter]

I hate to beg the question, but here goes...

I wonder why the 2 lines are labeled “Pro Life, and “Pro Choice” when pro lifers support the concept of free will/choice, and pro choice doesn’t equal PRO abortion?

I hope your paper goes well! Good luck with it…sounds pretty heavy!

God bless,
DD

 

[savvy]

I think it's the lesser of two evils when the life or the mother or mother/child are in serious danger. My friends mother had to have an abortion for this reason; she had twins growing where they shouldn't be and would have burst her fallopian tubes before they were even fully developed. I think in cases like that exceptions can definitely be made.

 

[zoe_uu]

I'm not for abortion, but I am for the freedom of choice, which was not an option.

 

[Bonhoffer]

Abortion is a complex issue, much more than being pro or against.
One can be pro-choice and against abortion.

Technically I am politically pro-choice for abortions before 20 weeks. However I dont beleive in the principle of a 'Womans Right to Choose'. I simply beleive in the legal safe abortion is better than back street abortion. Personally I am anti-abortion in all cases except when the mothers life is in danger. I think it is a sin.
I might be whats called a Pro-Life idealist. I would like all abortion (except when the mothers life is in danger) to be illegal right from conception to birth. However I realise that there is no significant evidence proving that life begins at that time. Because I beleive in seperation of church and state I cannot see any legal arguement for banning it. However I do pray that evidence will show up one day and then we have the legal clout to ban it.

 

[Bonhoffer]

I wonder why the 2 lines are labeled “Pro Life, and “Pro Choice” when pro lifers support the concept of free will/choice,

People should be allowed to do anything aslong as it doesnt hurt, endanger on trample on the rights of others. Abortion is argued to be a violation of the rights of the unborn child.

and pro choice doesn’t equal PRO abortion?

Of course it doesnt. I am personally opposed to same-sex relationships. I think they are wrong. However I accept that others have a differing opinion and I respect their right to choose to engage in relationships of this kind. It is not my business if pete and george want to have sex with each other. I just wouldnt do it myself.

I think it was Violtaire who said "I do agree with what you are doing, but I fight to the death to defend your right to do it".

I think Witchcraft is evil. But I'd be on the streets protesting if the government tried to ban it or if some 'religious' people started to persecute witches.

This principle I would call "Free-Will Liberalism". God gave us free will and no one has the right to take Gods gift away from them.

 

[Beoga]

if killing the baby will save the mother's life, then i am for abortion, but in any other case, nope. i like life, everyone should have a shot at it, we shouldn't determine who should live and who should die for our conveniance.

 

[Natman]

The real issue about abortion is to answer the question "When does human life begin?"

At present, the answers range anywhere from pre-conception all the way through death.

Based on this forum, the vast majority, Christian and non-Christian, believe that human life begins at conception. Many others believe that human life begins at some ambiguous or arbitrary point within the first trimester, maybe when measurable brain activity is detectable. Still, others believe that human life begins only after a baby is delivered completely clear of the womb. A very few asert that life is not established for some time after birth, say one to three years.

It is the uncertainty of the answers that gives ME pause. The fact that the biggest incremental change occurs when the egg is fertilized and that all of the "personal" information and developmental coding are present at that point, coupled with the constant scientific discoveries as to the complexity of life at earlier and earlier stages would encourage me to conclude that life begins at conception.

Since the Bible states that only God has the authority or grants the authority to take human life, wantonly aborting a human being from conception through deliverey would represent murder.

The minority in this forum might argue that they do not "believe" that life begins at conception and therefore an early abortion is okay. By the same argument, there are many "naturalists" that believe that human life is nothing more that the equivalant of a "fungus" infecting and causing damage to the Earth, and so there is nothing wrong with killing other human beings. So, by there logic, there is no legitimate reason to stop them from doing so. Hitler and Stalin thought they were doing just that with the Jews.

Do their "lack of value" for human life negate the laws of every society and nation known to man?

I surely hope not.

Son-cerely in Christ Jesus,
Nate

 

[zoe_uu]

if killing the baby will save the mother's life, then i am for abortion, but in any other case, nope. i like life, everyone should have a shot at it, we shouldn't determine who should live and who should die for our conveniance.

Why do you think those not brought into this lifetime will not ever have a shot at life in any lifetime? Maybe not being born now is the best thing for them.

 

[Natman]

Why do you think those not brought into this lifetime will not ever have a shot at life in any lifetime? Maybe not being born now is the best thing for them.

I don't believe it works that way. The Bible teaches "resurection" not "reincarnation". One body, one soul, one spirit, to live once, then to die and be judged for eternity.

Son-cerely,
Nate

 

[Beoga]

Why do you think those not brought into this lifetime will not ever have a shot at life in any lifetime? Maybe not being born now is the best thing for them.

yet we don't know if it is better, we shouldn't take that risk. it is not up to us to play god.

 

[aimejl]

please no debating this is for a school essay.

 

[Beoga]

please no debating this is for a school essay.

sorry

 

[Aimee30]

The only time an abortion should even be considered is if the baby will die anyway (without an abortion) and the mother's life is in trouble.

I believe the older person should be the one to sacrifice their life first as they have lived longer and the baby has never experienced the joy of life.

This kind of sacrifice would be a very loving thing to do.

 

[aimejl]

sorry

forgiven.

 

[Archivist]

I believe that most people who are pro-Choice are anti-abortion and would love to see the number of abortions reduced. I personally do not favor abortion, I simply believe that it needs to be an option for a pregnant woman because women must have control over their bodies.

I am constantly amazed how many people who take sides on the abortion issue have never actually read Roe v. Wade. I have not only read the opinion but I had the opportunity to discuss it with Justice Harry Blackmun who authored it. Roe does not give a blank check for abortion. It simply provides that during the first trimester of a pregnancy a woman has a right to an abortion for any reason, during the second trimester the state can impose some limits on abortion and during the third trimester the state can absolutely forbid it so long as exceptions are provided for instances where the health and safety of the woman are threatened (which is why the partial-birth abortion law was struck down--it didn't provide for those exceptions). Whether people agree with the decision or not, it is a well-reasoned and well-written opinion.

What we need is compromise. Not since the Civil War has an issue so deeply divided America as has the issue of abortion. I think that most people who are pro-Choice would support a ban on third-trimester abortions so long as exceptions were provided for the health and safety of the pregnant woman. At the opposite end of the spectrum, those who are pro-Life need to agree that woman should have a right to an abortion during the first trimester. If we could reach that compromise--if both sides would give at either end--then perhaps we could come to terms on what should happen during the second trimester. Sadly, I don't see us reaching that compromise.

 

[Murmur]

I just don't think anybody should tell me what I can or can't do with my meat body.

 

[Isis-Astoroth]

To be honest, I don't consider a lump of cells, with no organs, no pulse etc to be a human. While the foetus in a woman does not have the parts of the human body (such as those I have mentioned) then I feel that a women has the right to abort it if she wants. Outside of that, if a woman was raped, abortion before 20 weeks I think, again before 20 weeks if the baby is a health risk. I do not feel that abortion should occur for personal convenience. That is just immaturity.

 

[Natman]

To be honest, I don't consider a lump of cells, with no organs, no pulse etc to be a human. While the foetus in a woman does not have the parts of the human body (such as those I have mentioned) then I feel that a women has the right to abort it if she wants. Outside of that, if a woman was raped, abortion before 20 weeks I think, again before 20 weeks if the baby is a health risk. I do not feel that abortion should occur for personal convenience. That is just immaturity.

There are lots of people that believe that a LARGE "lumps of cells" WITH organs, a pulse, fully formed appendeges and brain wave are not human beings either and have no problem wiping them out.

We call them "Psychopaths".


Son-cerely in Christ Jesus,
Nate

 

[aimejl]

please no debating in this thread this is for school.