Abortion: What's right & wrong?

[tyronem]

Common sense legislation doesn't mean it's religious based.

Reason without faith creates chaos

These laws are biblically based by the way, where do you think they got them from? The imaginings of Confucius? lol

 

[GaBulldawg]

I think that issue of whether it is killing a human being is debatable. Murder is a legal construct, the unlawful killing with malice aforethought. Be careful with your language, the law is precise, not emotional.

True, it is debatable. From a Christian perspective, there is clear biblical evidence that the unborn are human beings from conception (see pg. 1). What I wish non-Christians would see is that Christians are not aiming to restrict the rights of women, but to protect the lives of what we sincerely believe are living human beings. With that perspective, you can see why we'd be unwilling to allow others to have an abortion; we see a human being killed. While non-Christians may disagree with this view, hopefully they can find merit on our intentions. I believe most Christians are willing to let others do whatever they want as long as they don't harm others.

 

[lux et lex]

I believe most Christians are willing to let others do whatever they want as long as they don't harm others.

Gay marriage isn't harming anyone. Get behind that and we'll talk about abortion.

 

[TomZzyzx]

I think that issue of whether it is killing a human being is debatable. Murder is a legal construct, the unlawful killing with malice aforethought. Be careful with your language, the law is precise, not emotional.

There's no debate on whether the unborn is a human being. Science has already told us that the unborn is a human being. That is why pro-choice advocates have to bring "personhood" into the debate, it's the only thing they have left.

 

[GaBulldawg]

Gay marriage isn't harming anyone. Get behind that and we'll talk about abortion.

Gay marriage just doesn't make sense. Marriage is a Jewish/Christian tradition. Why do gays want to marry when the religion behind marriage explicitly prohibits homosexuality? Furthermore, why do these people who are not generally interested in Christianity want to make an oath before God?

At any rate, if you are not willing to discuss the issue of abortion without resolving the issue of gay marriage, you are wasting your time here, seeing that the topic here IS abortion.

 

[lux et lex]

Gay marriage just doesn't make sense. Marriage is a Jewish/Christian tradition. Why do gays want to marry when the religion behind marriage explicitly prohibits homosexuality? Furthermore, why do these people who are not generally interested in Christianity want to make an oath before God?

At any rate, if you are not willing to discuss the issue of abortion without resolving the issue of gay marriage, you are wasting your time here, seeing that the topic here IS abortion.

So why allow the atheists to marry?

I'm merely poking a hole in your "Christians are permissive of things that don't harm others" theory.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Gay marriage isn't harming anyone. Get behind that and we'll talk about abortion.

What is 'gay marriage', no such thing in Biblical terms. If you are thinking in terms of ungodly man made concepts which are contrary to the purposes of God for anatomically dysfucntional relationships, the what chance of grasping the abortion issue. It is exactly the same problem, the invention of a concept to ignore reality. With gay marriage it is the unreality of anatomical dysfucntion and with pro-choice abortion is it imagining the human being developing in the womb isnt yet a human based on subjective chosen criteria, sentience, or conciousness.

And of course, as Mother Theresa said, if a mother can kill her own baby its the very opposite of love. So when the gay, pro-choice lobbies talk about love and respect ist the very opposite of love and respect as far as others are concerned.

If someone came on here and said wonderful news that homosexuals are being executed in some countires would the gay pro-choice lobbies say no problem we must all be brothers and sisters and accept each other's interpretations. No they dont. Nor do pro-life accept either the execution of homosexuals or the abortion of the unborn.

Here is a question for the pro-choice, between the two which would you choose, no execution and no abortion or abortion and execution?

 

[Ave Maria]

My position is that once the sperm and the egg meet and the egg has been fertilized there is a baby in your womb and you have no right to put an end to its life. Therefore, all forms of contraception that can be abortifacient is wrong as well as all other forms of contraception such as condoms but that is another topic for another thread. And not only are all abortifacient methods of contraception wrong, all forms of abortion are wrong as well which includes surgical methods of abortion and "medical" methods of abortion such as when an abortion pill is taken in order to cause premature death and delivery of the unborn baby. I also believe that all forms of abortion are murder regardless of the reason for the abortion. To me, it doesn't matter if the mother's life is in danger or if the unborn baby is simply "inconvenient" for her, you do NOT murder your unborn baby!

Some of you may have heard of a Catholic saint who actually was born, lived, and died during the 20th century. Well, when she was pregnant with her fourth child, she developed a large ovarian cyst which surgeon recommended that she get an abortion in order to save her life. Well, she refused to get an abortion and ended up dying one week after giving birth to her fourth child. She cared more for her unborn child and she cared more for doing what was right than for her own life. Today, her child is a physician herself and is also involved in the pro-life movement. This person is known as Saint Gianna Beretta Molla. She is a patron saint against abortion. Saint Gianna Beretta Molla, holy patron against abortion, pray for those of us who are fighting to bring a complete and total end to abortion. Amen.

You can learn more about Saint Gianna Beretta Molla at these links:

Gianna Beretta Molla (1922-1962), biography

Saint Gianna Beretta Molla | St. Gianna | Catholic Pro-Life Saint

EWTN's Saints and other Holy People Home

Saints.SQPN.com » Blog Archive » Saint Gianna Beretta Molla

Gianna Beretta Molla - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

St. Gianna Beretta Molla - Saints & Angels - Catholic Online

Catholic Insight : Saints : Saint Gianna Beretta Molla

Okay, I know that's a lot of links but I wanted to provide a variety of links so that you all can get all of the information you want about Saint Gianna Beretta Molla.

God Bless,
Holly

 

[katherine2001]

Abortion should be legal. When we start legislating religious morality, we will have many problems as a nation.

Would I get an abortion? 99.9% no.

By that reasoning, murder should be legal too! How dare somebody tell me that I can't go kill someone if I want to do that. After all, murder being wrong is a religious moral as well.

 

[katherine2001]

There's no debate on whether the unborn is a human being. Science has already told us that the unborn is a human being. That is why pro-choice advocates have to bring "personhood" into the debate, it's the only thing they have left.

We all know that a human being is going to give birth to another human being. I haven't heard of a human being giving birth to a dog, cat, or lion. With all due respect, if we are going to talk about common sense, common sense says that a mother is going to give birth to her own species.

 

[brightmorningstar]

The point is the pro-choice argument is outside reality. The argument that it is ok to terminate the foetus before personhood is subjective. One country passes a law that says its ok to terminate up to 24 weeks and another country says its not ok after 12 weeks. My argument is if they dont know dont have the arrogant ignorant audacity to tell me I dont know

The reality is none of us would have developed into who we are but for conception, so the reality is it doesn't matter whether the foetus is terminated at 12 or 24 weeks it is still preventing the adult from being.

 

[tyronem]

Do you have anything to substantiate this, or is it just your opinion?

Try reading the Bible.

 

[tyronem]

Can you prove that organ transplants are in the Bible, and is that Biblical testimony of God?

That is a ridiculous statement and without merit

 

[tyronem]

As a real Christian, I am fundamentally against anything that is not LOVE.

If you cannot show how the murder of a child in the womb is LOVE repent now lest God send you to Hell for your lack of LOVE for humans exactly as it is described in the epistles of John.

 

[Mary Kim]

One of the meanings of a christian is that we recognize jesus as our lord. A lord owns everything that's ours and has the right to our life. When considering abortion, one should go back to the definition of christianity. When about to interfere with the natural course of life as God made it, one should admit that that itself is wrong. For example, can one not study, pray for a magically perfect knowledge without seeming and feeling like a thief?

 

[hwyangel]

Awesome comments @tyronom. Don't get much clearer than that.

 

[pureinheart]

Words like zygote, embryo, and fetus are the proper medical terms for stages of development in the uterus. They are no different than the terms toddler, teen, and adult. I have one question for the "pro-life" people here: why is it wrong to use proper medical terms when discussing a topic that involves medical procedures?

What's the proper medical term for murder?