Abortion scenario

[In A Perfect World]

A retarded woman gets raped and happens to defy not only infertility odds, but also plan menstrual cycle odds and ends up pregnant.

She lives in an assisted housing facility and barely grasps the concept of pregnancy. There is a great chance that the baby if born will end up retarded as she.

Is abortion an acceptable in this siutation? Who would otherwise raise the baby? Is it fair to subject a retarded woman to the burden of pregnancy?

 

[Nymphalidae]

It should first be determined whether she is considered competant under the law. Otherwise, I see no reason to force her through the trauma of having her rapist's child.

 

[Cian]

Abortion is definitely acceptable in this situation. If she does not have the competence to understand her pregnancy then she should not be forced to have this baby.

 

[Arkanin]

Many ethics papers written on abortion exist simply to make the case that almost all Christians will ultimately agree abortion is acceptable in at least some cases. I'm inclined to agree.

 

[NothingButTheBlood]

A retarded woman gets raped and happens to defy not only infertility odds, but also plan menstrual cycle odds and ends up pregnant.

I did not know retarded women don't have regular menstrual cycles and are infertile as norm.

She lives in an assisted housing facility and barely grasps the concept of pregnancy. There is a great chance that the baby if born will end up retarded as she.

I also didn't know most retarded parents have retarded children.

Is abortion an acceptable in this siutation? Who would otherwise raise the baby? Is it fair to subject a retarded woman to the burden of pregnancy?

Anyone who may be willing to adopt could raise the child. Depending how bad she was no it probobly wouldn't be "fair" to have her go through pregnancy. This would be an instance where abortion would be a viable option. The chances she would have any subsequent ones is slim as well.

 

[jayem]

Profound retardation, where a patient cannot comprehend and cooperate with the monitoring and treatment that pregnancy and delivery requires is certainly a valid medical indication for termination.

And BTW, she should be transferred to a facility where there is adequate supervision so that patients aren't assaulted.

 

[e=mv^2]

Why do people totally ignore adoption?

You are effectively saying:

Is it ok to kill a potentially disabled baby based on the fact that it was unfortunate enough to have been fathered by a rapist and might in the natural course of events cause pain to a disabled person?

No. It is not ok.

 

[Arkanin]

Why do people totally ignore adoption?

So, let's say a famous pianist is in desperate need of something your body has because of an exotic medical condition, but the only way to save his life is to hook him up to you for nine months, therefore imposing major debilitation on your life. Are you fundamentally obligated to do so for this person?

This is the reason few Christians can honestly say that abortion is truly unjustifiable in all cases.

 

[e=mv^2]

So, let's say a famous pianist is in desperate need of something your body has because of an exotic medical condition, but the only way to save his life is to hook him up to you for nine months, therefore imposing major debilitation on your life. Are you fundamentally obligated to do so for this person?

So let's create a totally fictional and non existant scenario in order to justify the murder of 100's of thousands of babies. Has your scanario ever happened in the history of mankind? Ever?

This pianist:

1) has lived for a while and has experienced the world in a meaningful way.
2) was actually born

The baby:
1) Is not a disease
2) Has never had a chance to experience the world
3) Is innocent

 

[NothingButTheBlood]

[/size][/color][/font]So, let's say a famous pianist is in desperate need of something your body has because of an exotic medical condition, but the only way to save his life is to hook him up to you for nine months, therefore imposing major debilitation on your life. Are you fundamentally obligated to do so for this person?

This is the reason few Christians can honestly say that abortion is truly unjustifiable in all cases.

Let's say it was anybody. If I was told this person could live by being hooked up to me for nine months I may not have to help them but I would like to think I would. What is nine months to say a life?

 

[Idioteque]

[/size][/color][/font]So, let's say a famous pianist is in desperate need of something your body has because of an exotic medical condition, but the only way to save his life is to hook him up to you for nine months, therefore imposing major debilitation on your life. Are you fundamentally obligated to do so for this person?

This is the reason few Christians can honestly say that abortion is truly unjustifiable in all cases.

You're not seriously comparing a mother-child relationship/responsibility to a random citizen/pianist one.......... are you??

 

[jayem]

Is it ok to kill a potentially disabled baby based on the fact that it was unfortunate enough to have been fathered by a rapist and might in the natural course of events cause pain to a disabled person?

No. It is not ok.

It may not be that simple. We don't know in this scenario how severe is her mental disability. If it is very profound, this could be a contraindication to pregnancy. Some retarded persons are combative, and have to be restrained or sedated just to be examined. Some patients require sedative medication on a regular basis to keep them from hurting themselves or others. This itself poses some risk to the pregnancy. An uncommunicative patient won't report symptoms, and theoretically, significant complications might not be diagnosed until they have dangerously progressed. Delivery may have to be by C-section, since she may not be able to cooperate adequately for a vaginal delivery. I'm not saying any of these are insurmountable problems, but very severe retardation could certainly present enough technical risk that abortion may be the safer option. Like any other medically complicated pregnancy, it's a matter of medical judgement, that must be made on a case-by-case basis. I'll agree with you that it is tragic and undesireable to terminate a pregnancy, but sometimes it may be necessary--even life-saving for the mother. You can't be rigidly black or white about this.

 

[platzapS]

I don't know.

Probably if it was detected early (within the early part of the first trimester), then yes. I think abortion is wrong in most cases, but there are exceptions.

 

[Arkanin]

So let's create a totally fictional and non existant scenario in order to justify the murder of 100's of thousands of babies. Has your scanario ever happened in the history of mankind? Ever?

From a philosophical perspective, it doesn't matter. Ask any Christian here with philosophical training.

Let's say it was anybody. If I was told this person could live by being hooked up to me for nine months I may not have to help them but I would like to think I would. What is nine months to say a life?

Let's not ask 'is abortion good?', but 'should abortion be legal in at least some situation?' We need to decide whether our declining such a role would be ethical or not.

 

[Arkanin]

You're not seriously comparing a mother-child relationship/responsibility to a random citizen/pianist one.......... are you??

They're both living. If it was your son that was sick, would you suddenly be legally obligated then?

 

[Archivist]

It is her body and her choice.

If she is so retarded as to be incapable of making a decision then the choice should be up to her guardian.

 

[.Mikha'el.]

A retarded woman gets raped and happens to defy not only infertility odds, but also plan menstrual cycle odds and ends up pregnant.

She lives in an assisted housing facility and barely grasps the concept of pregnancy. There is a great chance that the baby if born will end up retarded as she.

Is abortion an acceptable in this siutation? Who would otherwise raise the baby? Is it fair to subject a retarded woman to the burden of pregnancy?

Rape is one the few situations where I consider an abortion acceptable.

 

[Idioteque]

It is her body and her choice.

If she is so retarded as to be incapable of making a decision then the choice should be up to her guardian.

Ya know, I wanna try a trendy heroin habit.

My body, my choice, right?

 

[In A Perfect World]

Ya know, I wanna try a trendy heroin habit.

My body, my choice, right?

Go for it

 

[Archivist]

Ya know, I wanna try a trendy heroin habit.

My body, my choice, right?

Heroin is illegal, at least it was the last time I checked.

Abortion is not.