Abortion Questions

[lulou]

Wow. That is one of the more disgusting things I've read on these forums.

I'm glad it wasn't me being too sensitive.

People like that make me laugh. You can be horrible, heartless, and nasty mean to someone. Say things that I would never imagine saying, yet you're a 'Christian'.

 

[MoonLancer]

When God takes a life, it is through his perfect will which is perfectly good. When we take a life, it is called murder.

might makes right? power does not make a bad action good.

 

[LJSGM]

might makes right? power does not make a bad action good.

Well, you are either avocating for the right to murder because God murders (from your point of view), or you are speaking against God murderering (from your point of view).

The second doesn't help your argument to allow murder.

 

[FaithLikeARock]

I would like to say if you don't want to answer the questions don't post. I use pro-abortion because anyone who is "pro-choice" is also in my opinion pro-abortion.

Only if you say that so-called "pro-lifers" are only anti-abortion or you allow pro-choicers to use the term "anti-choice".

 

[allhart]

If I were black in the south, if I were homosexual anywhere, if I was known to be a non-believer... or heck, if they were just all of them walking towards me, I would be very worried indeed. Believing in the bible hardly makes a person more moral and less likely to do other folks harm. There are too many examples in the history of our race to suppose that someone who reads the bible and someone who doesn't have any chance to be more or less vicious or kind.

That which is most important in the universe is that which can not be seen with our own eye's!
Outside of Christ, we are the walking dead. Seeking out our own appetites and consuming them. Actively resisting being unified in Christ!

Intent is prier to content!

Life has to close in on you before you can put in a different perspective!

 

[b&wpac4]

That which is most important in the universe is that which can not be seen with our own eye's!
Outside of Christ, we are the walking dead. Seeking out our own appetites and consuming them. Actively resisting being unified in Christ!

Now, I don't believe that. I am actively seeking a better relationship with God. I just find your path to be an incorrect one. If you say this is because I am resisting "the truth", I will say I simply do not see your path as the truth and feel the one I am on is the truth.

Don't assume you understand the motives of others, because you do not.

 

[allhart]

Now, I don't believe that. I am actively seeking a better relationship with God. I just find your path to be an incorrect one. If you say this is because I am resisting "the truth", I will say I simply do not see your path as the truth and feel the one I am on is the truth.

Don't assume you understand the motives of others, because you do not.

Reread post #92 and you first have to assume responsibility for your sin! Do you or any of this generation want to know what sin is all about? I don't think you do, for your intent prier to the content is flawed.

 

[b&wpac4]

Reread post #92 and you first have to assume responsibility for your sin! Do you or any of this generation want to know what sin is all about! I don't think you do, for your intent prier to the content is flawed.

You are, again, ascribing motives and beliefs to me that you cannot possibly know if I hold or not. This is flawed thinking and should be removed from your thought process. If you want to know about me and my thoughts, then you first need to ask me and attempt to understand.

I see you are suggesting I do not want to know what sin is because I'm part of "this generation". How do you know this? Have I said anything of the kind? Have I in some way suggested I want to do these things? If not, then you are projecting your beliefs about people onto me and not taking my real beliefs or thoughts into consideration.

 

[allhart]

You are, again, ascribing motives and beliefs to me that you cannot possibly know if I hold or not. This is flawed thinking and should be removed from your thought process. If you want to know about me and my thoughts, then you first need to ask me and attempt to understand.

I see you are suggesting I do not want to know what sin is because I'm part of "this generation". How do you know this? Have I said anything of the kind? Have I in some way suggested I want to do these things? If not, then you are projecting your beliefs about people onto me and not taking my real beliefs or thoughts into consideration.

We are to be unified in what God says sanctity of life is. Diversity is what you or another say's it is to be!

 

[Jade Margery]

Reread post #92 and you first have to assume responsibility for your sin! Do you or any of this generation want to know what sin is all about? I don't think you do, for your intent prier to the content is flawed.

Usually, I don't bother with correcting spelling and grammar on the internet, but if you're going to make this your every-post-repetitive-chant, you may as well spell it right.

'Prior' means 'before'. 'Prier' means 'One who pries, especially a person who is unduly interested in the affairs of others.' Source

You may well be a prier, but I'm fairly sure the word you're looking for is 'prior'.


As for the topic way off hand, perhaps some of us (by no means the entire generation, but some) would like to go through life not believing there is something flawed about us, not thinking we're actually evil inside, not apologizing for being born human. Sounds good to me.

 

[allhart]

Usually, I don't bother with correcting spelling and grammar on the internet, but if you're going to make this your every-post-repetitive-chant, you may as well spell it right.

'Prior' means 'before'. 'Prier' means 'One who pries, especially a person who is unduly interested in the affairs of others.' Source

You may well be a prier, but I'm fairly sure the word you're looking for is 'prior'.


As for the topic way off hand, perhaps some of us (by no means the entire generation, but some) would like to go through life not believing there is something flawed about us, not thinking we're actually evil inside, not apologizing for being born human. Sounds good to me.

As I have stated before: no one sees themselves as evil and I mean no one. Not even Hitler! Everyone justifying their means!

 

[allhart]

The difference between a believer and a non-believer is we are constantly learning the difference! To come to know what God say's what sin is all about!

 

[Jade Margery]

The difference between a believer and a non-believer is we are constantly learning the difference!

.....what the parsley are you talking about?

 

[allhart]

.....what the parsley are you talking about?

I toned it down for i don't want to sound arrogant, but the real truth is. The difference between a believer and a non-believer is that we know that we are evil!

 

[b&wpac4]

We are to be unified in what God says sanctity of life is. Diversity is what you or another say's it is to be!

Must we make random assertions in these discussions? I tire of discussion when whatever I say is followed by a comment unrelated.

 

[b&wpac4]

I toned it down for i don't want to sound arrogant, but the real truth is. The difference between a believer and a non-believer is that we know that we are evil!

I have committed sins but I don't believe I am evil. I am working toward being a better person and understanding the correct way I am to live.

 

[allhart]

Must we make random assertions in these discussions? I tire of discussion when whatever I say is followed by a comment unrelated.

Conjecture! What does the Bible say about the sanctity of life my friend? Later guy's! I am going to visit my mother for the rest of the afternoon. God speed to all of His plan and truth. For if you follow God, truly follow God. Your life was paid with a high price and your life is no longer your own!

 

[FaithLikeARock]

Oh Allhart! I didn't know you still posted here! How are you doing man?

 

[Gregor Rayne]

(1) "Pro-abortionists say that outlawing abortion would restrict a woman’s right to privacy. Is that right absolute? Does somebody’s right to privacy exceed another’s right to live?"

All situations are unique and the circumstances have to be taken into consideration. It is trying to make blanket rules like this, trying to make the situation black and white that stop any kind of progress on the issue. Concerning abortions, I would say a woman can choose. If life is ever at stake, you'd have to consider the circumstances.

(2) "If what you say is true and the issue isn’t really abortion but a woman’s right to control her own body, why doesn’t your agenda include drugs and prostitution? Aren’t laws against those just as restrictive to a woman’s right to choose what she will and will not do with her own body, as laws against abortion are?"

It does. The government has no business telling anyone what they are allowed to put into their bodies. And prostitution is just the same; no one's business but the people involved.

(3) "Why is it that the very people who say the government should stay out of abortion are the same ones who want the government to pay for them?"

Because the government has different roles. One role the government doesn't have is to tell people how to live. One role the government does have is to do its best to make life easier and happier for everyone.

(4) "Abortion advocates say they are in business to help women. Other than offering to kill their children for them, what are you doing?"

Protecting them from evangelicals that want to kill the actual woman outside the abortion clinic. That's probably where most would begin the definition of their business. Who is killing children?

(5) "Pro-abortionists say that the unborn child is part of the mother’s body. If that is so, why does it have a completely different genetic code and often a different blood type? How do you explain the fact that it has it’s own immune system? Why is it male about half the time?"

A fetus inside a woman is the same as a fetus outside a woman to you?

(6) "If we use the absence of brain waves to determine that a person’s life has ended, why shouldn’t we use the presence of brain waves to determine that someone’s life has begun?"

There are different levels of sentience. It is not a black and white issue.

(7) "Since you say that your interest is in protecting women, what is your position on these at home, do-it-yourself, abortion kits now being offered by many abortion advocates? Also, do you feel it’s ethical for them to advise women to avoid the gynecologist’s office for not only these procedures, but regular check-ups as well?"

No, licensed professionals should do the job. I feel anyway... I wouldn't make it a law. That would be hypocritical of me. I would advise a woman to seek professional help though.

(9) "Pro-abortionists try to justify their actions by saying that, while the unborn may be human, it’s not a ‘person’. Can you give a detailed description of the differences?"

I've never made the dichotomy with those exact terms, but to respond to the general idea, have you ever had a conversation with a fetus?

(11) "Does it bother you that abortion is legal after the point where medical science has evidence that the unborn child feels pain?"

Yes. Definitely not my field of expertise, but I would try to promote biological research and invest in having some sort of pain drug to give the fetus.

(13) "What rights do you feel a father should have in an abortion decision?"

Whatever the mother is willing to grant him.

(14) "Why is it that pro-abortionists fight so viciously to keep parents from having a say in whether their minor daughter has an abortion or not?"

Would you agree with the Islamic concept of fathers marrying off their daughters?

(16) "Let’s look at a hypothetical situation: two women become pregnant on the same day; six and a half months later woman A has a premature, yet healthy, baby; woman B is still pregnant; a week later each decides she doesn’t want her baby. Why should woman B be allowed to kill hers and not woman A?"

Is the baby in each instance the exact same thing to you?

(17) "If it became absolutely clear to you that the unborn child is a living human being, would you then favor outlawing abortion?"

I'm not in favor of outlawing anything. I don't pretend to know what's best for other people's lives. I would try to provide the best education and information for others and let them decide for themselves.

(18) "Why don’t we each look at the downside of our respective positions? Have you ever thought about what the ramifications are if you are wrong?"

If I was wrong about what specifically? To answer your question nonetheless, yes, I probably have thought about it. I always think about 'what if'.

(19) "When it was first discovered that the brain cells of aborted babies were a potential treatment for Parkinson’s Disease, the ABC NEWS program, NIGHTLINE, carried a story about a woman who’s father suffered with this malady. She wanted to be impregnated with the sperm of her father, for the purpose of creating a child, which would then be aborted, and it’s parts used to treat him. Do you see anything wrong with this?"

If I were the father, I would be uncomfortable with the idea of impregnating my daughter. I wouldn't dream of asking her. But to each his own. If she was willing, no, I don't see a problem.

(20) "Should a woman be allowed to have an abortion for absolutely any reason, such as sex selection, selective reduction, or job promotion? If not, when not?"

Why not?

(21) "I am going to take the liberty of characterizing your position, and then I want you to tell me where I’m wrong. You want abortion to be legal right up to the moment of birth, in other words for all nine months of pregnancy; for any reason whatsoever, for no reason whatsoever; for a minor girl of any age, without parental consent, without even parental knowledge; and if she can’t pay for it, you think the taxpayer ought to. Is there anything inaccurate about that statement?"

Mostly true, except for the 'no reason whatsoever' bit. I have my reasons.

(22)How can abortion be a “fundamental right” if it is not found in the text of the Constitution and was never recognized as a right in American history prior to Roe v. Wade?

I think this is the point of our judicial system. To evolve and adapt to the society we are in. Slave owners were saying the same thing about slaves. You don't agree to amending the Constitution?

 

[ReverendDG]

your innocence yes it was ripped away but your sanity and self respect was ripped away because you let it happen. I am sorry that you were raped but you made the right choice to have the baby so actually you really didn't lose your sanity because no sane person could have an abortion. If you don't like what I have to say don't post in threads that talk about abortion because your gonna hear the same things I have said because they are truth.

well done, you reached the lowest of the lowest, blaming the victim for getting raped.
well done i bet that just warms jesus's heart to hear such words.
so a person has to be insane to have an abortion now? well whatever helps you sleep at night.

if all you are going to do is spam threads with stuff you didn't write and barely cite, then i'm glad to skip it.
as for if the stuff you post is true? well no, most of it is not true, the nonsense about abortion and breast cancer is a flat out lie, with the sole intent of scaring people.
pretty much that whole list you c+p of health issues with abortion,most if not all of them are all issues with some other sort of surgery or drug and is written to make women freak out.