If I'm anti-woman and anti-choice that would make you pro-murder wouldn't it? Because you believe it's ok to murder a human being because they are an inconveinence? Doesn't that sound a bit harsh? Yeah. Welcome to my shoes.
how does that relate? that would be a flat out lie, the things i said were the logical conclusions of your stance. your straw-man of my views is nothing more than that, a straw-man, i highly doubt my stance is analogical to yours
No I am not anti- choice because like all other pro-choicers I've ever met you like to believe that you are "pro-choice" but whenever they encounter a young pregnant girl they like to scare her into believing that this is a black and white issue and her only "logical" is to damage her womb by ripping her offspring out of it, killing the child.
well done, you go to show you know nothing about the pro-choice position and all you can do is vilify what you do not understand. plus thats a mighty fine mirror you have, nice and shiny
sorry but i
do not believe this and no pro-choice supporter does either.
by the way there's no damage to the womb if you bloody do it right! most abortions are before the first trimester anyway
I've never heard a pro- choicer even mention the words "adoption" or "financial aid". No, according to many, there is only death, and hardship. That doesn't sound like a very fine choice to me.
then you haven't bothered to look at what pro-choice
is, pro-choice is also adoption if the woman
chooses it
And as far as anti-woman is concerend, I don't think it's very pro-woman to send a scared young girl into a room without telling her both the physical and emotional effects the procedure may have on her.
Sending her into a room where she may come out with internal bleeding, causing death, or making her barren, so she can never have ANY children. These intstances are much more common than many pro- choicers admit.
who's not admitting this? this happens with any surgery if done wrong, i think you need to stop distorting the truth to make it look worse than it really is.
if you go to a back alley abortion clinic then yes this will happen, more often than not.
but thats in a place that doesn't follow safe practice, but it can happen rarely anywhere.
you make it sound like it happens every time. plus your nonsense about emotional affects is the result of culture not abortion, why would anyone tell you about something that has nothing to do with a surgery?
Studies have been done to show that many women who walk out of abortions are left feeling depressed, guilty, and or isolated.
this has nothing to do with abortion, this has to do with culture and the way we treat those who have abortions.
My heart goes out to these poor dears, they gone through a scary experence. Not giving a young woman these facts, and sending her into a room to face physical and emotional stresses right after the physical and emotional stresses of pregnancy sounds very anti- woman to me.
those aren't facts, they are at most appeals to emotion. i've seen equal numbers of studies that show that women don't have the issues you claim they do.
Biologsts are in agreement that as far as physical science is concerened, life begins at conception.
you would be wrong! anyone who knows anything about embryology would say thats a load of bollocks and it's irrelevant anyway
So the issue of abortion is not, does the fetus count as a life, the question is does a fetus have human rights, because it cannot live on its own outside the mother's body.
thats the pro-choice argument, its not remotely about being alive its about whether or not the that thing that is alive should have rights over the woman's body or not.
I believe, yes, it does, an infant outside of the mother's womb relies on others to have it fed, sheltered, changed, etc.,
the difference is, i could take care of someones infant while they can't, i can't do so with a fetus, at least until they invent an artificial way
so would you say it's alright for a mother to kill her infant because he/she has become a nuisance? No, and if anyone told me they believe that should be acceptable, I would recoil in disgust.
no i wouldn't because the infant is born and is protected by law, a fetus accord to law is not protected.
As far as not caring about children after birth, I most certainly do. As far as national health care is concerend, that has nothing to do with supporting children.
yes it does, i remember distinctly that republicans rejected a health care bill that would help children, but it was "socialist"
is our healthcare system flawed? Yes. Is national healthcare an even worse system? absolutely. Ask any Canadian or Cuban how they feel about their healthcare system.
thats not data, i really could care less what one or two people think, i have read plenty of people say the system works.
but canada has a better system according to real data and stats, they even live longer than americans
Bettering schools? Explain what you mean by bettering schools. I believe that education is a vital key to any society, and should be one of our top priorities.
that came out wrong, i meant to say pro-lifers like a lot of the religious right reject education that would otherwise give children a better education.
such as comprehensive sex ed
And for your last statement, I've NEVER met a person that thinks a baby should fend for themselves. A grown person, however, can fend for themselves if that is what your getting at. A man reaches a certain age when he needs to take his mother's breast out of his mouth and grow up.
i was referring to children, i know babies are unable to help themselves.you just prove my point, "they need to grow up" as if growing up is stop needing people.
There are quite a few here on CF actually. 
