Abortion Is Murder: Hence Wrong!!!

[ShieldOFaith]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]27 So God created man in his own image,in the image of God he created him;male and female he created them. 28 And God blessed them. And God said to them, Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth. --Genesis 1

---God creates human kind, male and female, and commanded them to Be Fruitful and Multiply! It was a command. He designed them to do the task He commanded them.

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]11 The angel of the Lord also said to her: "You are now with child and you will have a son. --Genesis 16

---With child and you will have a son. Nuff said.

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]4 The word of the Lord came to me, saying, 5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations." --Jeremiah 1

---Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. Who formed him in the womb? GOD!!! "Before you were born I set you apart" God has knowledge of you before you are born. And He is the One who is forming you in the womb!!! God takes the miracle of child birth very seriously.

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]13 This is what the Lord says: "For three sins of Ammon, even for four, I will not turn back my wrath. Because he ripped open the pregnant women of Gilead in order to extend his borders, 14 I will set fire to the walls of Rabbah that will consume her fortresses amid war cries on the day of battle, amid violent winds on a stormy day. --Amos 1

---For murdering the children in their mothers' wombs, God sends fire to the walls of Rabbah. Yes, abortion is vile no matter what point in human history.

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 26 In the sixth month, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27 to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin's name was Mary. 28 The angel went to her and said, "Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you." 29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30 But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. 31 You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end." 34 "How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?" 35 The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. 36 Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be barren is in her sixth month. 37 For nothing is impossible with God." 38 "I am the Lord's servant," Mary answered. "May it be to me as you have said." Then the angel left her. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 39 At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judea, 40 where she entered Zechariah's home and greeted Elizabeth. 41 When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. --Luke 1

---"[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]You will be with child and give birth to a son," Pretty self explanatory here. But here is my fav here: "[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy."

OOOHHH!!! THE EVERLOVING SMACK DOWN has just been laid upon those who want to call us Christians wrong. Here ya go, it is inescapable, "THE BABY IN MY WOMB LEAPED FOR JOY."!!!

WHAT in the womb??? A BABY!!!

Abrotion is murder. It is that simple. You do not have to have an advanced degree in mathematics to figure this out. God made it very clear to all, those with high education and those who have no formal education. God speaks to all human beings. No one is left out.

Now there will be some who do not want to hear GOD speaking, that is tough luck. GOD has already spoken and you can do nothing about it. You are powerless to do anything about that fact.

This horrifying sin against our Children will not go unpunished. We will pay for the over 40,000,000 (that is Forty Million) butchered babies in this country.

Just like GOD made us pay in blood with the Civil War because of slavery; something even worse is on the way for us.

The only positive thing I can say on this subject is this. Ladies, if you have had an abortion, God can and will forgive you for this sin if you ask Him.

May GOD have mercy on this country.
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[Steezie]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] God speaks to all human beings. No one is left out.[/FONT]

Guess again, God stopped talking to me, hence why I left him behind.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]We will pay for the over 40,000,000 (that is Forty Million) butchered babies in this country.[/FONT]

You dont seem to mind the sin of lying, 4-8 million babies are born per year. If 40 million fetuses are aborted every year, we would have a MASSIVE negative population trend

 

[The Nihilist]

Oh Shield, you so crazy.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Guess again, God stopped talking to me, hence why I left him behind.

Wrong! His Word applies to you whether you believe it or not. Just like His judgment.

 

[Steezie]

Wrong! His Word applies to you whether you believe it or not. Just like His judgment.

Are you going to heaven?

I guess not since you dont seem to mind lying

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Are you going to heaven?

I guess not since you dont seem to mind lying

I have been chosen by God. I have salvation because He gave it to me.

Read:

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Total Depravity (Total Inability)

Total Depravity is probably the most misunderstood tenet of Calvinism. When Calvinists speak of humans as "totally depraved," they are making an extensive, rather than an intensive statement. The effect of the fall upon man is that sin has extended to every part of his personality -- his thinking, his emotions, and his will. Not necessarily that he is intensely sinful, but that sin has extended to his entire being.
The unregenerate (unsaved) man is dead in his sins (Romans 5:12). Without the power of the Holy Spirit, the natural man is blind and deaf to the message of the gospel (Mark 4:11f). This is why Total Depravity has also been called "Total Inability." The man without a knowledge of God will never come to this knowledge without God's making him alive through Christ (Ephesians 2:1-5).
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Unconditional Election

Unconditional Election is the doctrine which states that God chose those whom he was pleased to bring to a knowledge of himself, not based upon any merit shown by the object of his grace and not based upon his looking forward to discover who would "accept" the offer of the gospel. God has elected, based solely upon the counsel of his own will, some for glory and others for damnation (Romans 9:15,21). He has done this act before the foundations of the world (Ephesians 1:4-8).
This doctrine does not rule out, however, man's responsibility to believe in the redeeming work of God the Son (John 3:16-18). Scripture presents a tension between God's sovereignty in salvation, and man's responsibility to believe which it does not try to resolve. Both are true -- to deny man's responsibility is to affirm an unbiblical hyper-calvinism; to deny God's sovereignty is to affirm an unbiblical Arminianism.
The elect are saved unto good works (Ephesians 2:10). Thus, though good works will never bridge the gulf between man and God that was formed in the Fall, good works are a result of God's saving grace. This is what Peter means when he admonishes the Christian reader to make his "calling" and "election" sure (2 Peter 1:10). Bearing the fruit of good works is an indication that God has sown seeds of grace in fertile soil.
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Limited Atonement (Particular Redemption)

Limited Atonement is a doctrine offered in answer to the question, "for whose sins did Christ atone?" The Bible teaches that Christ died for those whom God gave him to save (John 17:9). Christ died, indeed, for many people, but not all (Matthew 26:28). Specifically, Christ died for the invisible Church -- the sum total of all those who would ever rightly bear the name "Christian" (Ephesians 5:25).
This doctrine often finds many objections, mostly from those who think that Limited Atonement does damage to evangelism. We have already seen that Christ will not lose any that the father has given to him (John 6:37). Christ's death was not a death of potential atonement for all people. Believing that Jesus' death was a potential, symbolic atonement for anyone who might possibly, in the future, accept him trivializes Christ's act of atonement. Christ died to atone for specific sins of specific sinners. Christ died to make holy the church. He did not atone for all men, because obviously all men are not saved. Evangelism is actually lifted up in this doctrine, for the evangelist may tell his congregation that Christ died for sinners, and that he will not lose any of those for whom he died!
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Irresistible Grace

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Perseverance of the Saints

Perseverance of the Saints is a doctrine which states that the saints (those whom God has saved) will remain in God's hand until they are glorified and brought to abide with him in heaven. Romans 8:28-39 makes it clear that when a person truly has been regenerated by God, he will remain in God's stead. The work of sanctification which God has brought about in his elect will continue until it reaches its fulfillment in eternal life (Phil. 1:6). Christ assures the elect that he will not lose them and that they will be glorified at the "last day" (John 6:39). The Calvinist stands upon the Word of God and trusts in Christ's promise that he will perfectly fulfill the will of the Father in saving all the elect.

 

[SaintInChicago]

Guess again, God stopped talking to me, hence why I left him behind.

You dont seem to mind the sin of lying, 4-8 million babies are born per year. If 40 million fetuses are aborted every year, we would have a MASSIVE negative population trend

Forty million is the estimated total since Roe vs. Wade. Not the annual total. SOF is not lying. You are mistaken. I hope you will remember this event the next time you think of Christians as judgmental.

 

[Steezie]

Forty million is the estimated total since Roe vs. Wade. Not the annual total.

Can that be backed up with reliable statistics?

 

[bunced]

Abrotion is murder. It is that simple

No, it's not simple, that is a massive presupposition. Prove that abortion is murder first, then you may find people are more willing to discuss.

 

[LouTheWicked]

You haven't done Pagans yet.

 

[SaintInChicago]

Can that be backed up with reliable statistics?

I am here to serve .
This page seems to be wealthy in information and has links to pertinent CDC documents. It seems that forty million is an understatement. Fifty million would be a more accurate rounding.
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/facts/abortionstats.html

He is not lying. I hope you will remember this event the next time you think of Christians as judgmental.

Please.

 

[Steezie]

You haven't done Pagans yet.

Im feeling left out

I am here to serve .
This page seems to be wealthy in information and has links to pertinent CDC documents. It seems that forty million is an understatement. Fifty million would be a more accurate rounding.
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/facts/abortionstats.html

He is not lying. I hope you will remember this event the next time you think of Christians as judgmental.

The only information that the CDC displays is abortion information for 2003 and trends in the late 90's. Also it is not a representative survey of the entire US, with information pieced together from states that participated which not all of them did.

 

[SaintInChicago]

Im feeling left out



The only information that the CDC displays is abortion information for 2003 and trends in the late 90's. Also it is not a representative survey of the entire US, with information pieced together from states that participated which not all of them did.

The chart shows from 1973 onward. It is not wholly representative of the US. Which infers that the real number is even higher.

 

[flicka]

I love the word "hence".

 

[MemeBuster]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]May GOD have mercy on this country.[/FONT]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but about 20% of all recognized pregnancies end in miscarriage. Doesn't that mean your god is the biggest abortionist of them all?!


MB.

 

[Carbon 5]

The thread title is a perfect introductory philosophy 101 example of 'begging the question':

'abc' is bad, therefore it is wrong!

The premise and the conclusion are the exact same thing.

 

[StarCannon]

*yawn*
The abortion "thing"? Come on, SoF. At least choose something more interesting than killing of fetuses. This one's been done over too many times.
Methinks that abortion is a viable solution to population control. Used conjuctively with preventive birth measures, we'll ensure that the population of Earth stays stable and healthy.

 

[Ramona]

Whilst I agree with you that abortion is murder, what I don't understand is why life should begin at conception only to have its sanctity end at birth. Shield, why do you lament the murder of these children but then get so excited about God laying the "smack-down" on the world? I don't understand.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

No, it's not simple, that is a massive presupposition. Prove that abortion is murder first, then you may find people are more willing to discuss.

I already did in the op. Have a nice day.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Whilst I agree with you that abortion is murder, what I don't understand is why life should begin at conception only to have its sanctity end at birth. Shield, why do you lament the murder of these children but then get so excited about God laying the "smack-down" on the world? I don't understand.

Come on.

I am not excited about God laying the Smack Down on this country. I live here too!!! I am adamant about warning of the destruction ahead of us!!!

Abortion is murder, and we will get punished for it!