Abortion is a Win-Win Scenario.

[Warrenx]

If the baby is delivered, then life survives and a new child is welcomed unto the earth. If the baby is aborted, it is innocent and ascends to heaven. Either way life succeeds over death, and God's plan is never elided.

 

[brightmorningstar]

If the baby is aborted do the parents and the abortionist go to heaven?

Was it a win-win situation for the abortionist doctor who got aborted ?

 

[ShainaBrina]

This is a false premise.

Life is in the blood. Adam's sin has been passed down generation to generation through the father's seed. So no one is innocent, no not one.

Levi paid tithe when he was still in Abraham's loins

Hebrews 7:9 Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, so to speak, 10 for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him.​

 

[brightmorningstar]

ShainaBrina,
You are correct.
IMO we assume Jesus saves the lives, but yes Jesus says no one is good except God.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Isnt the European Court of Human Rights an abortion in itself, it thinks abortion s a human right, not for the baby it isnt, the European Court of Human Rights views are mentally retarded.

 

[laconicstudent]

Isnt the European Court of Human Rights an abortion in itself, it thinks abortion s a human right, not for the baby it isnt, the European Court of Human Rights views are mentally retarded.

Calling people who disagree with you "mentally retarded" isn't much of an argument.

 

[brightmorningstar]

laconicstudent.

Calling people who disagree with you "mentally retarded" isn't much of an argument.

Its a very good argument because its about them sanctioning the killing of babies. I think thats mentally retarded, you may not but I do.

 

[NDNgirl4ever]

Its a very good argument because its about them sanctioning the killing of babies. I think thats mentally retarded, you may not but I do.

That's your opinion. Good arguments are based on facts, not opinions.

 

[brightmorningstar]

NDNGirl4ever,

That's your opinion. Good arguments are based on facts, not opinions.

Go one then, prove to me the babies arent being killed by abortion.

 

[laconicstudent]

NDNGirl4ever,
Go one then, prove to me the babies arent being killed by abortion. [/color]

Only as soon as you bother proving that the European Court of Human Rights is composed of members all of whom have an IQ below 70, as you claim.

Ad hominems are a poor form of argumentation. Almost as bad as your argument from ignorance requirement that we prove that babies aren't being killed by abortion. Argument from ignorance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[brightmorningstar]

Only as soon as you bother proving that the European Court of Human Rights is composed of members all of whom have an IQ below 70, as you claim.

I wonder what IQ Hitler and Stalin had. No sorry I don’t measure like that so I wont be proving that.

Ad hominems are a poor form of argumentation.

But you don’t understand English because the definition of ad hominem is
“directed against a person rather than against his arguments” and I said 'that' not 'they' and meant the killing of babies.
Furthermore even if it had been an ad hominem I would rather an ad hominem than murder.

Almost as bad as your argument from ignorance requirement that we prove that babies aren't being killed by abortion.”

Babies are being killed by abortion, its obvious common sense that the life in the womb which began at conception and gestation is being terminated, which is why supporting pro-choice abortion is mentally retarded.

Don’t play games, we all know that doctors and nurses show scans of the woman’s baby, it is only referred to as a foetus when the idea of abortion arises. Its why they call it abortion, it sounds more acceptable than terminating the baby.

Different countries have different legal limits. Why? Why should it not be ok to terminate the baby by abortion in most European countries between 12 -24 weeks when the UK is allowed to abort up to 24 weeks? What is the reason? Its because anyone who allows pro-choice abortion cant decide, all the European Court is doing is attacking anyone who can decide!
Thats not human rights at all, its legalising genocide.

 

[laconicstudent]

I wonder what IQ Hitler and Stalin had. No sorry I don’t measure like that so I wont be proving that.

Then stop using terms that are defined in quantifiable terms, like "retarded".

But you don’t understand English because the definition of ad hominem is
“directed against a person rather than against his arguments” and I said 'that' not 'they' and meant the killing of babies.

And that in itself was an ad hominem. Congrats, I was referring to your calling other people "retarded" and "an abortion".

Furthermore even if it had been an ad hominem I would rather an ad hominem than murder.

Lol wut? Nobody is saying you should do that. Red herring.

Babies are being killed by abortion, its obvious common sense that the life in the womb which began at conception and gestation is being terminated, which is why supporting pro-choice abortion is mentally retarded.

That doesn't make any sense, why is terminating a pregnancy via abortion "retarded"?

Don’t play games, we all know that doctors and nurses show scans of the woman’s baby, it is only referred to as a foetus when the idea of abortion arises. Its why they call it abortion, it sounds more acceptable than terminating the baby.

I think they sound about the same. Who cares.

Different countries have different legal limits. Why? Why should it not be ok to terminate the baby by abortion in most European countries between 12 -24 weeks when the UK is allowed to abort up to 24 weeks? What is the reason? Its because anyone who allows pro-choice abortion cant decide, all the European Court is doing is attacking anyone who can decide!
Thats not human rights at all, its legalising genocide.

I think I'll take the court's definition of humans rights and genocide over yours.

 

[brightmorningstar]

laconicstudent,

Then stop using terms that are defined in quantifiable terms, like "retarded".

I suggest you stop telling people what terms they can and can’t use. I shall happily use the term. My point is I don’t use the same criteria for measure as you.

And that in itself was an ad hominem.

It was a fact, I gave the dictionary definition to prove it.

Congrats, I was referring to your calling other people "retarded" and "an abortion".

I didn’t, I said “the European Court of Human Rights views are mentally retarded. “ THEIR VIEWS!! You need to read what people right and stop flaming, next time I shall report you.

Lol wut? Nobody is saying you should do that. Red herring.

Wut? Don’t you know the old rhyme sticks and stone make break my bones but names will never hurt me. Do you not think it better for someone to be called a name than have physical violence against them? If not then you have just understood the point I am making.

That doesn't make any sense, why is terminating a pregnancy via abortion "retarded"?

Because it is a life that is being terminated. To support terminating a life just because of someone’s choice is in y book retarded.
Sure, from your point of view it might not be seen as terminating a life, rather a foetus, but that nonsense is no use to me.

You see the key here is whether pro-choice abortion is murder. Let me ask you, do you support murder? My view of murder is that it is a mentally retarded act.

think they sound about the same. Who cares.

Well who cares that I call the idea of pro-choice abortion being a human right, retarded? I don’t so you get upset if you wish, I couldn’t care less whether you get upset.

think I'll take the court's definition of humans rights and genocide over yours

So what I take common sense and decency over mental retardation, but that wasn’t my question. My question was not which view you have but about the view you hold, why cant countries decide when an abortion is legal, and if its legal in one country when its illegal in another, which country is right. I mean its the same act happening, why is it ok in one country and not in another?

 

[NDNgirl4ever]

Don’t play games, we all know that doctors and nurses show scans of the woman’s baby, it is only referred to as a foetus when the idea of abortion arises.

I know you probably won't believe me, but as I nursing student I can confidently say that you are wrong. I have heard my instructors use the term 'fetus' in class several times (and the majority of those times we were NOT discussing abortion at all). Doctors and nurses may use the term "baby" when speaking to lay people during an ultrasound, but if you were to look at the medical record, you would see the term "fetus" and "fetal", not "baby". Doctors and nurses speak VERY differently to each other when in an offical capacity than they do to their patients. So just because you never heard a doctor or nurses say the word "fetus" to you apart from abortion doesn't mean that's the only time they use it. Fetus is the proper medical term, baby is not. I've even heard "pro-life" healthcare providers use fetus (and embryo and zygote if appropriate) when speaking offically with other medical professionals. It simply denotes a stage of growth and in the medical world is no different than the words toddler, adolescent, or adult. The term baby is to broad. I know many people that refer to two and three year olds as babies. If one doctor were consulting another doctor about a woman's care, the term baby would tell the second doctor nothing. However, the term fetus would give him/her a basic idea of how far along the pregnancy is.
Those in the "pro-life" movement who are not medical professionals have taken the word fetus completely out of context and totally twisted it around.

Its why they call it abortion, it sounds more acceptable than terminating the baby.

The terms "abortion" and "termination of pregnancy" are sometimes used interchangeably.

 

[brightmorningstar]

NDNgirl4ever,
The medical term for the stage of the baby is foetus, but my point stands, to the expectant mothers the life is referred to as a baby rather than a foetus, however to the mothers who want an abortion its called the foetus and not the baby. Aborting a baby sounds worse than aborting a foetus, but its the same life being terminated.

 

[Algol Omega]

If the baby is delivered, then life survives and a new child is welcomed unto the earth. If the baby is aborted, it is innocent and ascends to heaven. Either way life succeeds over death, and God's plan is never elided.

By aborting, you're taking away a soul's right to choose away. In essence, it is tyrannical.

 

[BL2KTN]

Because it is a life that is being terminated. To support terminating a life just because of someone’s choice is in y book retarded.
Sure, from your point of view it might not be seen as terminating a life, rather a foetus, but that nonsense is no use to me.

So let's say that I was born with a parasitic twin inside of me. It has no mind, but is simply zapping my energy and taxing my body. You say that choosing to remove, and thus kill, that parasitic twin would be "retarted" correct?

By aborting, you're taking away a soul's right to choose away. In essence, it is tyrannical.

How does something without a mind have a psyche (the original, greek word for soul / mind)?

BL

 

[Mikecpking]

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So let's say that I was born with a parasitic twin inside of me. It has no mind, but is simply zapping my energy and taxing my body. You say that choosing to remove, and thus kill, that parasitic twin would be "retarted" correct?



How does something without a mind have a psyche (the original, greek word for soul / mind)?

BL

BL, Psyche (soul) is not the mind, it is life..

 

[brightmorningstar]

BlueLightningNT,

How does something without a mind have a psyche (the original, greek word for soul / mind)?

The something you are referring to has a mind developing, why would you agree to someone being destroyed before they have developed?

 

[BL2KTN]

BL, Psyche (soul) is not the mind, it is life..

Nope. That's "pneuma" and it means spirit/ghost/life/lifeforce.

The something you are referring to has a mind developing, why would you agree to someone being destroyed before they have developed?

1) The brain is developing but the mind has never been turned on.
2) If that someone has yet to be developed, then it's not a someone yet.
3) There are many reasons that it might not be a good idea for a someone to enter the world when there is another option.

BL