Abortion is a Holocaust

[phoenixgw]

Abortion is the merciless slaughter of human life. How many human lives? See for yourselves.
http://www.chippynews.com/worldclock.htm

The irony is that in Canada, Dr. Henry Morgantaler, a child survivor of the Holocaust, was the champion of abortion. It was his defiance of the law that eventually overturned anti-abortion laws. He became the butcher that slaughtered his own people. Now he has " death camps" all over Canada.

The sign over Auschwitz read, "Work will set you free." For fetuses it reads, "Labour will set you free." The end results are the same.

Over 2.5M abortions have been performed in Canada.

 

[Trashionista]

How classy.
Comparing the Holocaust to a medical procedure.
The Holocaust is incomparable to abortion. It's a weak comparison that everyone constantly grabs at - Nazis, genocide of the Jews, etc.
ITS NOT VALID.
2.5M unborn citizens is far different to the planned, organized death of 8-11M contributing people.

And I find what you've written about Morgentaler insulting. Yes, he's controversial, but he's no Hitler.

 

[FortressOfYshua]

The figures are somewhat bigger than you think. NRLC.org estimated that 48,589,993
abortions have occurred since 1973.

As for comparing it in brutality and barbarism? Ever hear of Josef Mengele ?

He butchered Jewish children mercilessly at Auschwitz.

How can you compare the Holocaust to a medical procedure?

My question is, how can't you?

Abortion butchers a living fetus. If that fetus popped out of a lady, it counts as a person? But if it remains within it's a growth?

 

[Trashionista]

The figures are somewhat bigger than you think. NRLC.org estimated that 48,589,993
abortions have occurred since 1973.

As for comparing it in brutality and barbarism? Ever hear of Josef Mengele ?

He butchered Jewish children mercilessly at Auschwitz.

How can you compare the Holocaust to a medical procedure?

My question is, how can't you?

Abortion butchers a living fetus. If that fetus popped out of a lady, it counts as a person? But if it remains within it's a growth?

The Holocaust was the systematic killing of undesirables. A goal was a physically fit Aryan society, which meant no Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, etc.

That is different to abortion. For that 48M-odd fetuses, there is a world population of 6.6B.

Its not the same thing. There was a goal of exterminating Jews, meaning there was a goal of NO JEWS. Abortion is the goal of terminating one pregnancy, and in most cases, one fetus. But the fetus species as a whole isn't threatened by abortion. WHEREAS THE JEWISH POPULATION [on numbers alone] WAS EFFECTED.There are still plenty of women giving birth to infants.

Simple but key difference.

Also, that 2.5M only referred to Canada.

 

[karisma]

Frankly, when I see numbers like that, I think "whew!" With all the pollution problems, global warming, species extinctions, deforestation, global food shortages, erosion, aquifer depletion, acid rains, ozone depletion, and urban sprawl, I hate to think how much worse the world would be with those 48+ million and all their progeny.

 

[Ave Maria]

I don't think you can compare abortion to the Holocaust. Abortion is a medical procedure that is often needed. The Holocaust, on the other hand, was the systematic torture and murder of millions of Jews and other people.

 

[Blue Olive]

Neither of these activities are ideal. The ideal situation is a world where Germans live in harmony with Jews. The ideal situation is planned pregnancies within a loving family.

Now you can certainly draw a comparison between the two. Both the Holocaust and abortion are ending lives that could have contributed to society. For whatever reason, this doctor is approaching these pregnancies with the mentality of "how it can't be done" instead of "how it can be done". There are solutions out there that work.

 

[Anglian]

Clearly the comparison is meant to indicate the strong emotions aroused by this subject; but it goes further, and although no two situations are exactly parallel, there are some points in common to note.

The Nazis proceeded on the assumption that the world would be a better place without Jews; this is clearly NOT the assumption behind abortion, so on the issue of motivation the comparison fails.

The Nazis described the Jews is ways that dehumanised them, and they described what they were doing to them in ways designed to deemphasise its status as state-sponsored murder. Thus, rather in the manner that Nazi ideologues used to debate the question of whether Jews were really human, and how 'Jewish' they had to be to be really Jewish, modern day proponents of abortion talk about 'fetuses' and 'viability', knowing that in very many cases if there was no 'procedure' or 'termination', that 'fetus' would become a 'baby'. So there is a similarity in rhetoric.

The Nazis operated from the philosophical assumption that the highest value system was that which best served the purpose of the state. The modern abortionist puts the 'rights' of the mother first. There is a clear difference of philosophy here, and the comparison with the holocaust fails.

The Nazis also assumed that they had the right to decide on matters of life and death for others, basing their decision upon their estimation of whose life was the most valuable. This is not that different from the assumptions of those who favour abortion.

In both cases millions of souls were killed because others thought it for some higher conception of 'good'. Those who do not see 'fetuses' as having souls might recall that in the days of slavery there were real debates over whether 'Negroes' had souls. We can, being sinners all, blind ourselves by our own sophistry and linguistic ingenuity very easily.

Just as now we look back with horror at how our ancestors could have constructed arguments and laws which justified slavery, I wonder if future generations will look back on our society and it s justification of abortion?

Slavery? Holocaust? Surely the comparisons are not exact? No, but the similarities in some areas might at least give pause for some self-examination - which is, I am sure, the reason they are made.

Peace,

Anglian

 

[Hentenza]

Frankly, when I see numbers like that, I think "whew!" With all the pollution problems, global warming, species extinctions, deforestation, global food shortages, erosion, aquifer depletion, acid rains, ozone depletion, and urban sprawl, I hate to think how much worse the world would be with those 48+ million and all their progeny.

But you are here because you were not aborted and you contribute to pollution, global warming, species extinctions, deforestation, global food shortages, erosion, aquifer depletion, acid rains, ozone depletion, and urban sprawl. By your logic then maybe you should not have been born. Ya think??

Murder is murder.

 

[Ave Maria]

Murder is murder.

Yes, murder is murder and abortion is abortion. Abortion is not murder! I personally don't believe that the fetus has a soul until it breathes its first breath of air.

 

[Hentenza]

Yes, murder is murder and abortion is abortion. Abortion is not murder! I personally don't believe that the fetus has a soul until it breathes its first breath of air.

And, how exactly do you know this? How do you know that the fetus doesn't have a soul? Are you sure?

Hint:
Jeremiah 1:4-5
4 The word of the LORD came to me, saying, 5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

 

[Phinehas2]

When a pregnant woman goes to the doctor or the hospital they don't refer to her foetus, the refer to her baby in the womb, they dont show her scans of her foetus, but scans of her baby. So why do we have to discuss the foetus? Its the baby, a foetus is just a baby in danger of being killed.
And it is a baby that takes its first breath, not a foetus... and many of us maintain abortion is murder because its pre-meditated choice to terminate a life in development, so thats the issue for us.

 

[Psalms 119 v 105]

Abortion butchers a living fetus. If that fetus popped out of a lady, it counts as a person? But if it remains within it's a growth?

It is only a living baby when the law wants it to be... In most states, if a pregnant mother is murdered most likely the person will be charged for two counts of murder not one. It is then it counts as a life. For example: Lacy Peterson Case...The hyprocrisy of it all.

 

[NDNgirl4ever]

When a pregnant woman goes to the doctor or the hospital they don't refer to her foetus, the refer to her baby in the womb, they dont show her scans of her foetus, but scans of her baby. So why do we have to discuss the foetus? Its the baby, a foetus is just a baby in danger of being killed.

WRONG. Actually, they DO call it a fetus offically, and will call it so on medical documents, and when speaking to other medical professionals. Why? Because the word 'fetus' tells them about what stage of development the pregnancy is at. "Baby" is too vauge. It tells a doctor nothing. A doctor will use whatever term the patient wants when speaking to her about it. They will say baby then. But when they fill out their medical papers, or speak to another medical person, the word fetus will appear. In a hospital enviroment, the word is understood, and no one makes an issue out of it. I know that even 'pro-life' doctors use 'fetus' offically. I know this because I work in medicine.

Fetus is the proper medical term, so that's what we say. Abortion is a medical procedure, so medical terms apply. The 'pro-life' movement has taken a legitimate word and totally twisted it around.

 

[karisma]

But you are here because you were not aborted and you contribute to pollution, global warming, species extinctions, deforestation, global food shortages, erosion, aquifer depletion, acid rains, ozone depletion, and urban sprawl. By your logic then maybe you should not have been born. Ya think??

Yes, that is right. The best contribution my parents could have made would have been to not have me and instead adopt. However, that's not the route they took, and here I am doing the best I can to not contribute to the world's many problems caused by overpopulation.

Murder is murder.

Yes murder is murder. But abortion is not murder.

 

[karisma]

It is only a living baby when the law wants it to be... In most states, if a pregnant mother is murdered most likely the person will be charged for two counts of murder not one. It is then it counts as a life. For example: Lacy Peterson Case...The hyprocrisy of it all.

It may seem hypocritical on the surface, but it's actually not. Laci Petersen wanted to have a child. She gave permission for that fetus to be taking up residence in her body, and sharing her body's resources. Everyone has the right to bodily integrity, and no one has any right to use anyone else's body against their will. This includes fetus's. Whether it is considered a "person" or a "life" is actually completely irrelevent.

 

[lincolngreen50]

It may seem hypocritical on the surface, but it's actually not. Laci Petersen wanted to have a child. She gave permission for that fetus to be taking up residence in her body, and sharing her body's resources. Everyone has the right to bodily integrity, and no one has any right to use anyone else's body against their will. This includes fetus's. Whether it is considered a "person" or a "life" is actually completely irrelevent.

A baby is a gift from God.
The Word Fetus is a worldly term invented by human scholars.
A life is a life,a baby in the womb known to God.
The unborn child has rights.
I agree that everyone has the right to bodily integrity but when a women or a man decide to have unprotected sex.abortion should not be used as a way of contraceptive and a person does lose integrity when they have unprotected sex unless of course the couple are planning to have a child.
In this day of after morning pill,contaceptive pills abortion rates should be reduced not increasing.
There are many childless couples who would welcome the chance to raise an unwanted child,but alas do not get the opportunity due to the throw away mentality of society today.

 

[Hentenza]

Funny how all pro-abortionists have already been born.

 

[karisma]

A baby is a gift from God.
The Word Fetus is a worldly term invented by human scholars.

The word fetus is a medical term, without any connotation, just like a uterus is properly called a uterus instead of mommy's tummy.

A life is a life,a baby in the womb known to God.
The unborn child has rights.

I don't know that I agree that they should have the same rights as born people, but they certainly cannot have more rights.

I agree that everyone has the right to bodily integrity but when a women or a man decide to have unprotected sex.

Not all unwanted pregnancies are the result of unprotected sex. Methods fail.

abortion should not be used as a way of contraceptive

I can't imagine many people use abortion as a primary means of avoiding pregnancy. It's expensive, has some degree of risk, is time consuming, and potentially very emotional.

and a person does lose integrity when they have unprotected sex unless of course the couple are planning to have a child.

So what if they didn't have unprotected sex but the condom broke? Or leaked? Or whatever?

But to be fully consistent then, you must also support that those parents must be forced by law to donate their blood/organs should the need ever arise after birth, because otherwise you would be granting more rights to fetus's than any born person has.

In this day of after morning pill,contaceptive pills abortion rates should be reduced not increasing.

Actually they are decreasing.
U.S. Abortion Rate Lowest Since 1974, Guttmacher Report Says

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/94330.php

There are many childless couples who would welcome the chance to raise an unwanted child,but alas do not get the opportunity due to the throw away mentality of society today.

Our foster care system is already overwhelmed. There is no shortage of babies/children to be adopted.

 

[karisma]

Funny how all pro-abortionists have already been born.

Well, obviously, right? The unborn/non-existent people aren't able to have an opinion one way or the other...