Abortion I need help.

There has been many threads on abortion through CF.
Like several have said here God is the one who gives life who are we to take it? Even when pregnancy occurs in bad circumstances that pregnancy happens God is the one who allowed it to still happen.
Christians need to encourage life physically and spiritually.

RED that's ME said:

There has been many threads on abortion through CF.
Like several have said here God is the one who gives life who are we to take it? Even when pregnancy occurs in bad circumstances that pregnancy happens God is the one who allowed it to still happen.
Christians need to encourage life physically and spiritually.

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Sorry I did not mean about abortion..

Here are my links.

http://www.afterabortion.org/rape.html

http://www.electrosnap.com/abortion/forum/comment_threads.php?postID=95&parentid=93

I have a very graphic abortion site if you would like, I will PM it to who ever wants it.

i have been told that in some circumstances abortion is an act of self defence because the baby is risking the mothers life and her first priority is to her other children and husband. im curious to hear ur thoughts on that.

num_me_vexo said:

i have been told that in some circumstances abortion is an act of self defence because the baby is risking the mothers life and her first priority is to her other children and husband. im curious to hear ur thoughts on that.

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I'm a little uncertain as to your implication. Are you stating that abortion can be justified because of instinct?

I hate to beat a dead horse, but here's my opinion (again)...with (hopefully) less babble.

We have many choices in life and they fall in exactly 2 categories, those categories are as follows:
1) To be on the side of God and therefore do his will and follow his laws or
2) Be against God and therefore go against his will and laws.

How do we know what God wants? Well, he's given us his Word in the form of what we call the Holy Bible.

I think, in my last post, that I've made it very clear that abortion is murder. I don't think any of us (on this thread) have been in dispute about that. The question now becomes very simple...is your choice going to fall under category #1 or #2?

Sounds easy doesn't it? I know it's not. Please understand, I'm not trying to belittle the emotional aspect in anyway. If I were in this position, I would hope that I could still reason logically and do what God has commanded us to do instead of falling prey to my instincts and emotions therefore going against God to spare myself and my family from the pain of the loss of the mother. Eh, I know it's a run-on sentence, but I need to wrap this up before I have to go to a meeting

I would like to encourage you to try and not justify actions based on situations. Abortion is murder just like a lie is still a lie or a theft is a theft...God may use your choices (whether you choose to sin or not) but he won't condone the sin.

Thank you all for a wonderful thread. It truly brought tears to my eyes.
But let's be sure to remember that God loves those who have committed murder in the past - indeed - he saved Saul.

Here is my story -

Three years ago, one of my college students (non christian) had an abortion her freshman year. She later told me she had also had an abortion in high school.

After it was over she came to speak to me about it. I could tell that her spirit was being convicted. She was riddled with guilt and shame. Truly, she was ready to take her own life. I really had never known the impact that abortion has on the women who receive them until I spoke with this young woman.

Anyway, I did not judge her; I told her God loved her, but the seed, to my knowledge, did not germinate into acceptance of Christ.

Last fall, she came to me talk to me once again, pregnant. What a blessing God granted me to be able to discuss with her the many options open to her other than murder.

Anyway during the midst of the conversation, I blurted out to her that my wife and I would take the child, no questions asked, if that was her choice. I had not even spoken to my wife about it, but knowing my wife's attitude toward abortion and love of children, I knew that she would agree with the decision.

The girl later told me that it was that statement which convinced her to not kill the baby.

Although, eventually, she decided to let her mother & dad (who are Christian) raise the child, the Lord taught me a valuable lesson that day.

Pro-life folks must not just be demonstrators at clinics or preachers behind pulpits. Actually, I think sometimes that can be detrimental to the cause. They must be you and me, willing to accept the responsibility for someone else's mistakes.

After all, isn't that what Christ did for all of us?

Finally, and if this is spam, a moderator may remove it, I feel abortion is too large an issue to stay in one political party. Afterall, at least 90% of the nation will vote democratic or republican in any given election. So w/o endorsing either party, I want to offer people these two links where, perhaps, they can get involved politically.

www.democratsforlife.org

www.rnclife.org

terry13 said:

Thank you all for a wonderful thread. It truly brought tears to my eyes.
But let's be sure to remember that God loves those who have committed murder in the past - indeed - he saved Saul. ...

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I agree whole heartedly! My apologies if I made it sound otherwise.

I know people, people I love very much, who have had abortions. Years later they still cry and anguish over what they have done. They know God forgives them but I don't think they will ever be able to completely forgive themselves. Its a terrible thing.

some preacher guy on this video gave this list to say whether a baby in the womb is a human or not. S-L-E-D. the first one is size. Is a short person more human than a tall person? no. the second is level of development. Is a ten year old boy more of a human than a forty year old man? no. The third one is enviroment. Is a person more of a human in Wyoming than a person in Georgia? no. The last one is dependency( dont know how to spell). Is a person on incilin( dont know how to spell). more of a human than one who is not. once again no. that proves that a baby that is unborn is still a human. hope this helps.

If you know anyone considering abortion, encourage them to visit any of the various Christian ministries in your area which offer ultrasounds. If they're not convinced and convicted that the "embryo" or "fetus" developing in the womb is a real, live, human child... well, I can't imagine anyone not being convinced. There is NOTHING that makes that "embryo" or "fetus" suddenly become a "baby" quicker than seeing it, even if it only appears as little more than a dot with a heartbeat.

This is from experience with ultrasounds... my wife and I have just recently seen our second child, at only 6 weeks of pregnancy, and our baby already had a heartbeat! We saw our first child at 12 weeks of pregnancy... you could have counted his fingers and toes had he not been moving around so much!

What a great thread! I can't add much to this, only this: God's timing is perfect, abortion is the ultimate questing of God's perfect timing. I think that thought alone should be enough to settle the issue with Christians.

ALSO,
If your "friends" say that the child inside the woman isn't a person because it is connected to her, you can tell them, that it is scientific fact that when a child is conceived it becomes a unique COMBINED DNA, that is a strand of DNA of the father and the mother are combined during the conception.
At that moment it becomes a WHOLE DNA that has enough data to form a child, it is unique in the world, and there is not one like it.

If they say "oh but this is just a body it's not a person, its not formed because it cannot survive without the mother" remind them that some people get into accidents and cannot survive without artificial support. Some fall into coma for years and stuff like that. We don't go around abortion their lives and disconnecting their life support.