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Intruder...? Hon, you've been here two months. It's not quite time to fight the status quo.Where did you get the idea that we are trying to win a debate? This is a Christian Forum so you are the intruder trying to win the debate and make us believe that we have to ditch our christian worldview to accommodate your atheistic nothingness evidenced by the fact that you consider yourself superior.
I would have made a good pope. Though Francis does not seem to be too bad. I would have fixed a lot of the church's problems with scandals by making the wrong doing of the church public. By doing so one discourages future scandals since people would know that the system would no longer hide them and it would be a necessary step for the healing to begin. It might hurt the Catholic church for a little while, but they would be stronger by the end.We just need to outfit you with a mitre flowing robes and replace that Francis guy.
The problem is that not everyone sees a fetus as "life". Until you convince others that a fetus should have all of the rights of a born person you are not going to be able to win this debate. And for me "winning" would mean a change in the laws that govern this act, not just convincing a few people on an internet forum.
I know atheists like to blame the God who does not exist according to them for everything but on this one, you are your own worst enemy.
if you care to look at post 517, you will see five photos of babies that came out of a womb.A baby in the womb is not possible, period.
What exactly do you mean by that, though? Are you speaking scientifically or theologically? There's no mystery about what a zygote is and what it is not.Am I to conclude that if you were convinced that at conception we have a newly formed human life you would be opposed to abortion on demand?
Yes. This sentence agrees with what Douglas said. Now they are babies because they came out of the womb.if you care to look at post 517, you will see five photos of babies that came out of a womb.
They view "merit" as in how abrasive and childish they can be, or how much rhetoric can be spewed, or the frequency of the logical fallacies, or the amount of misinformation, or...
Where did you get the idea that we are trying to win a debate? This is a Christian Forum so you are the intruder trying to win the debate and make us believe that we have to ditch our christian worldview to accommodate your atheistic nothingness evidenced by the fact that you consider yourself superior.
I am so glad that the scripture teaches us that God chose the foolish things of the world to confound the wise. He did not choose the superior things as they tend to be full of their own self importance which is what is coming over from you.
The scripture asks us what shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses his own soul. The answer is simple. Absolutely NOTHING. On the day of judgment you will not be assessed by how much you know. You will be assessed by your acceptance or rejection of God's salvation. Acceptance means your name goes into the Lamb's Book of Life. Rejection means it doesn't and if it is not there, it is zero for you and you will have only yourself to blame.
I know atheists like to blame the God who does not exist according to them for everything but on this one, you are your own worst enemy.
It's funny how you seem to "know" multiple things that aren't true.I know atheists like to blame the God who does not exist according to them for everything but on this one, you are your own worst enemy.
Very good, the problem is that even in China the number of female births may have been greatly obscured by the hiding of female births. Under the old One Child rule, it was recently rescinded, the births of some children were hidden. You could not be charged if no one knew that you had a child. From the second source:
"When sex ratio began being studied in China in 1960, it was still within the normal range. However, it climbed to 111.9 by 1990[9] and to 118 by 2010 per its official census.[49][50] Researchers believe that the causes of this sex ratio imbalance are increased female infant mortality, underreporting of female births and sex-selective abortion. According to Zeng et al. (1993), the most prominent cause is probably sex-selective abortion, but this is difficult to prove that in a country with little reliable birth data because of the hiding of “illegal” (under the One-Child Policy) births.[51]
These illegal births have led to underreporting of female infants. Zeng et al., using a reverse survival method, estimate that underreporting keeps about 2.26% male births and 5.94% female births off the books. Adjusting for unreported illegal births, they conclude that the corrected Chinese sex ratio at birth for 1989 was 111 rather than 115.[51] These national averages over time, mask the regional sex ratio data. For example, in some provinces such as Anhui, Jiangxi, Shaanxi, Hunan and Guangdong, sex ratio at birth is more than 130.[52][53]"
That being said, I would have no problem on banning selective abortion. The problem is proving it in the first place.
The liberty of one is in conflict with the liberty of the other. You would choose the embryo?
I'm not nearly as concerned about an embryo as I am about a grown person.
Actually it was your source. And it was explaining the difficulty of calculating how bad sex selection is because it was known that the hiding of children occurred under the "one child" rule. If a first child was a girl and the parents needed a boy to help out, and that is still the case there, the birth of a girl was not always reported. That did not mean that they killed the girl, though I have heard enough horror stories of that too. I know of more than one couple that wanted a baby and could not have one of their own and ended up adopting a baby from China. One guess on the sexes of those babies.Your sources confirms what I posted as well.
Your sources surmise hidden children then shoot themselves in the foot by claiming birth statistics are hard to come by.
I've never met an atheist that blamed a god they don't believe exists. For anything. Do you have any evidence this is actually true, or is this just another piece of unsubstantiated "truth"?
It's funny how you seem to "know" multiple things that aren't true.
I can clearly show that I am superior. Simply looking down your noses at those that need abortions does you no good or your cause, and it is not very "Christian" either. That is what you would do. I thought that you wanted to change the world. That is what I would want to do. I would not want to simply whine in a corner about how others are "immoral". By the way, I am not trying to get you to ditch your view. And please, I have not been rude about your superstitious beliefs, you should not be rude about mine.
But it doesn't. That is merely a silly defensive verse. It has no meaning in the real world.
And I am not suggesting that you lose your soul. I am telling you that your approach to this problem is not productive for you or for anyone else.
That makes no logical sense at all. You need to try again.
Intruder...? Hon, you've been here two months. It's not quite time to fight the status quo.
Thanks for the laugh. You are definitely superior...in your own eyes but you need to know that self praise is no praise.
I have never looked down on those wanting an abortion and have never said I do as the subject here is abortion, not those who want an abortion which in your superior zeal you have missed. And if I looked down on those who wanted an abortion I would never have volunteered my time and energy at a Pregnancy Support Centre. People who look down on those who want an abortion don't do that and that is why not many atheists spend their time helping at centres like this because alternatives are not on their agenda.
And we are changing the world by our efforts to help those troubled by an unwanted pregnancy. As a result of our help there are many children walking the streets today which would not be the case if they fell into the hands of anti-choice abortionists.
And you have been rude about our beliefs because you have called them superstitious. You are mocking but that doesn't worry us as we know that is the best you can do when you hate being disagreed with. I can't be rude about yours because I have been told numerous times that atheism is not a belief system. You can't be rude about something that does not exist.
It may have no meaning in your world but your world in only inhabited by a few hundred thousand whereas my world is inhabited by 2.3 billion so your world is trifling by comparison to mine.
You can suggest all you like but it is YOU not me that is going to lose your soul. And my approach is productive because there are children walking the streets today that would otherwise have been destined for the garbage bin if the abortionists had hads their way. And I am advised from reliable sources that more young people in America are against abortion than there are for it. The future leaders come from this group so it looks as though the abortion holocaust is going to get a nasty jolt.
And having babies killed is productive? Don't make me laugh.
Which only goes to show that atheists don't have much in the logical basket. Thanks for confirming that for me.
Yes. This sentence agrees with what Douglas said. Now they are babies because they came out of the womb.
I never claimed that it was.
Your posts here do not support that. Claiming that abortion is the killing of babies is not praising someone. It is also wrong. And don't give me that "Pregnancy Support Centre" nonsense. Most of those places are just anti-abortion sites in disguise. Now if you could give examples of how you tried to avert abortions I might be impressed. One does that by making birth control readily available to anyone that wants it.
But you are not really helping those people so much as proselytizing. I thing that is actually the opposite of what you make it out to be.
Not even close I did not point out that you have a superstitious belief until after you were rude more than once. And don't complain about mocking when you went out of your way to earn it. That is hypocritical to say the least. You seem to have no understanding of atheism. When you don't know something the correct thing to do is to ask politely.
Where did you get that number from? Atheism in its many forms is currently over a billion the last that I heard.
Wrong again. Your soul will end up the same place as mine. Please, your false "holier than thou" attitude gets no credit anywhere.
Once again, no one is advocating killing babies. And until you prove by some reasonable means that abortion is killing babies then you are only using prejudicial language again.
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