Abortion - "As early as possible, as late as necessary"

[xMinionX]

that is not an answer. what is your criteria for personhood?

It was an answer.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

that is not an answer. what is your criteria for personhood?

Sorry, but wrong. That is, in fact, an answer. An answer of "I don't know" or "I don't ahve any".

 

[Lyric's Dad]

come to your senses, you will agree with me.

Maybe if I had a lobotomy.

 

[xMinionX]

Maybe if I had a lobotomy.

Well that wasn't very nice.

 

[The Seeker]

Interesting how Lyric's Dad is horribly offended by the idea that anybody who disagrees with him might use humour at any point, but it's quite alright for him to scream insults at everybody else. I try not to overuse the word "hypocrite", but if the shoe fits...

 

[The Seeker]

being a potential human being (as most pro-choicers say, if you did'nt I apologise), a foetus being alive makes it a person.

You keep making this rather odd assertion that a fetus is a person because it is alive. If it is a potential person then it is not a person, by definition. A fetus does not have the capability for abstract reasoning, independent life or conscious thought, at least not in the early stages of pregnancy, and as such the woman's well being should always take precedence.

 

[The Seeker]

I believe in never.

What if the woman concerned would not survive if she were to carry the pregnancy to term? Would you be happy to let a living, breathing person with a life of her own die for no good reason at all?

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Interesting how Lyric's Dad is horribly offended by the idea that anybody who disagrees with him might use humour at any point, but it's quite alright for him to scream insults at everybody else. I try not to overuse the word "hypocrite", but if the shoe fits...

 

[Electric Sceptic]

Interesting how Lyric's Dad is horribly offended by the idea that anybody who disagrees with him might use humour at any point, but it's quite alright for him to scream insults at everybody else. I try not to overuse the word "hypocrite", but if the shoe fits...

He's certainly a great advertisment for Christianity...isn't their something about knowing them by their fruits? What, then, do we know of a person whose fruits are insult and belittling those who disagree?

 

[ScarletRubies]

Nobody has ever claimed that a tree is a potential human being. This appears to be a strawman of yours.

A tree made out of straw? That's never going to work!

As for my Christian brethren posting here - a word to the wise: learn how to read, and respond in love. As your sister in Christ, I ask you to think twice, read thrice, before you post.

From Proverbs 15:1: A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.

In Him,
Ruby

 

[rebel_conservative]

A tree made out of straw? That's never going to work!

As for my Christian brethren posting here - a word to the wise: learn how to read, and respond in love. As your sister in Christ, I ask you to think twice, read thrice, before you post.

From Proverbs 15:1: A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.

In Him,
Ruby

good advice. however, it is often easier said than done!

 

[Mercyme_thats me]

God bless Mercyme. BTW, that is a great group. You are one of the people on here who come with wisdom defying your young age. It is refreshing to see young people shun the worldly ways and stand for what is right even though everything around them tries to drag them down. God bless and keep you.

Thank you so much for your kind words...I am glad to say I am a born-again Christian and I stand up for what I believe in full-heartedly whether it makes people not like me or not!
God Bless you!!!

 

[ronaldp]

Hi, I think that it's odd that some people would agree to abortion. The reason it's odd is because the only thing that is separating between abortion and murder is the desire for the baby to be born. In abortion, it's fine and it's not murder to take the life of the fetus because the baby is not wanted by the mom, but it's murder for both the mom and the baby if you kill a pregnant woman, odd isn't it. Take the Scott peterson case, he is charged with the murder of his wife and his baby when the baby is not even born yet. Odd isn't it that the only difference is the desire for the baby to be born.

 

[Mercyme_thats me]

Hi, I think that it's odd that some people would agree to abortion. The reason it's odd is because the only thing that is separating between abortion and murder is the desire for the baby to be born. In abortion, it's fine and it's not murder to take the life of the fetus because the baby is not wanted by the mom, but it's murder for both the mom and the baby if you kill a pregnant woman, odd isn't it. Take the Scott peterson case, he is charged with the murder of his wife and his baby when the baby is not even born yet. Odd isn't it that the only difference is the desire for the baby to be born.

I TOTALLY AGREE!!!!! Do me a favor....go over to the "How is it different? (abortion discussion)" in here and type that again!!!! They need to hear it over there!

 

[rebel_conservative]

Hi, I think that it's odd that some people would agree to abortion. The reason it's odd is because the only thing that is separating between abortion and murder is the desire for the baby to be born. In abortion, it's fine and it's not murder to take the life of the fetus because the baby is not wanted by the mom, but it's murder for both the mom and the baby if you kill a pregnant woman, odd isn't it. Take the Scott peterson case, he is charged with the murder of his wife and his baby when the baby is not even born yet. Odd isn't it that the only difference is the desire for the baby to be born.

yes it is.

pro-choicers will say that a woman has the right to control her body, a man doesn't. but surely, a foetus either is or is not protected. if killing a foetus is a crime, then abortion is a crime. if abortion is legal, you can not charge Peterson with murder of the baby

 

[Ave Maria]

Yes, I agree with it. If an abortion is going to happen, I'd rather have it happen as early as possible. Preferably within the first trimester because it isn't until I think the end of the first trimester that the fetus can feel pain. Personally, I'd prefer that no abortions ever occurred but I doubt that abortions will ever be banned.

 

[The Seeker]

if abortion is legal, you can not charge Peterson with murder of the baby

Agreed, that's why fundies shouldn't be allowed to make laws

 

[rebel_conservative]

Agreed, that's why fundies shouldn't be allowed to make laws

if fundamentalists were allowed to make the laws, there would be no inconsistency - abortion would be illegal

and Peterson was convicted in California. there are more Jedi Knights in California than there are fundamentalist Christians.

 

[SarahBeara]

I don't believe in abortion...

 

[levi501]

yes it is.

pro-choicers will say that a woman has the right to control her body, a man doesn't. but surely, a foetus either is or is not protected. if killing a foetus is a crime, then abortion is a crime. if abortion is legal, you can not charge Peterson with murder of the baby

I'm not advocating that Peterson should've been charged with murder... honestly I'm undecided. I can however offer an explanation that makes it consistent with the pro-choice stance.

The consistency is maintained by giving the woman choice on whether or not to share her biological resources. You can argue that it is a life and the unlawful termination of it is murder. At the same time though, we don't force people to share their biological resources with others. You aren't required to donate a kidney or give a blood transfusion even if the result of not doing it is death to another. Well a child in the womb of a mother is using her biological resources and like anyone else she has the right not to share those resources with another person... even if it results in death.
In regards to Peterson... the child was no such burden to him, so terminating that life could be considered murder.

Again, this isn't my position... as I'm undecided... I'm just showing how the two positions aren't necessarily inconsistent.