Abortion (again)

[admtaylor]

Cartoon that speaks loads of truth.

http://www.oneimage.org/Images/pages/42cartoon41SaveTheWales.htm

What do you think?

 

[Knight]

What's the point?? That Pro-Lifers care more about human life than whale life? I can't argue with that.

 

[MichaelFJF]

Um, actually the point might be just the opposite, but that's just my take. Kinda reminds me of the "Save the Baby Humans" bumper sticker....cute, to the point. M

 

[Vylo]

Sorry to nitpick, but when you say the opposite, the opposite would actually be "pro-lifers care more about whale babies than human babies".

I think you are trying to say that it implies "pro-choicers care more about whale babies then human babies"

Just don't want anyone to hit you with word games.

 

[EvolvEarth]

The point of the story is that antiabortionists claim to be pro-life, however, if they were truly pro-life, they'd be trying to save other species of animals besides just humans. This shows that most antiabortionists are NOT pro-life, rather, they're antiabortion.

You can also call antiabortionists "pro-human fetus" if you wish.

 

[admtaylor]

Actually the point of the cartoon is just as Vylo and MichaelIFJF where saying. Many liberal pro-choice supporters care nothing about a babies life, but spend sometimes hours or even weeks trying to protect the life of wildlife. Seems a little skewed to me.

 

[revolutio]

I thought the beached whales were symbolic for women who had had an abortion. The Planned Parenthood people felt they were saving benefiting society by comforting the women who had had abortions at their behest.

But I don't know much about Planned Parenthood so they probably do help those poor cute beached whales.

 

[TScott]

Actually the point of the cartoon is just as Vylo and MichaelIFJF where saying. Many liberal pro-choice supporters care nothing about a babies life, but spend sometimes hours or even weeks trying to protect the life of wildlife. Seems a little skewed to me.

I'm sure they care about human babies. Planned Parenthood has never harmed a human baby as far as I know.

What is wrong with them caring about whale babies too?

 

[iamorfuc]

I agree with the person who say that those who claim to be prolife are usually antiabortionists.

Prochoice people are generally liberal. And generally liberals also are also more enviromentally-aware (not to say that some conservatives aren't) I don't really get the point of this cartoon being as it can be taken either way.

"prochoicers care more about whales then they do about babies"

or "prolifers are antiabortion and prohuman life but not really caring about the life of the world around them."

I also must add, that being prochoice I hate the misconception of people who are prochoice being antilife.

 

[KatebTheChaotic]

I agree with the person who say that those who claim to be prolife are usually antiabortionists.

Prochoice people are generally liberal. And generally liberals also are also more enviromentally-aware (not to say that some conservatives aren't) I don't really get the point of this cartoon being as it can be taken either way.

"prochoicers care more about whales then they do about babies"

or "prolifers are antiabortion and prohuman life but not really caring about the life of the world around them."

I also must add, that being prochoice I hate the misconception of people who are prochoice being antilife.

well lets see, I am prochoice as well, and my position is:

1.women should solely make this choice, not me, I dont have the babies round here, I shouldnt really have a voice in this.

2.but since im on a roll, I am all for abortion in necessary situations.

3.Im for abortion as long as the prolifers are primarily antiwelfare.

4.Im for abortion as long as society fuels girls with the feeling of autonomy equating to inferiority for them. Girls are reinforced in marriage and babymaking...just pick up a cosmopolitan! you'll see!

 

[geocajun]

Am I the only one who really saw the message in that picture?
clearly the point of the story is that you can safe wales by covering them with wet planned parenthood t-shirts.

 

[draper]

Actually the point of the cartoon is just as Vylo and MichaelIFJF where saying. Many liberal pro-choice supporters care nothing about a babies life, but spend sometimes hours or even weeks trying to protect the life of wildlife. Seems a little skewed to me.

Well actually someone whom is pro-abortion are basically 'pro-free choice', not, 'pro -supporting babies being killed'

They aren't trying to kill babies. They're trying to give women free choice. If they wanna go and help save wildlife or whatever that' OK.

 

[Ben johnson]

I am "pro-choice"; a woman absolutely SHOULD have the right to choose to have a baby, or not.

The thing is, pregnancy is not like a cold --- one can get a cold even if one does not WANT to; but getting PREGNANT requires conscious ACTION.

A woman who makes a CHOICE not to have a child, DOESN'T GET PREGNANT in the FIRST place.

After she's pregnant, it's no longer SHE, it's SHE and another PERSON. No? Why not? What deliniates PERSON from BLOB-O'-TISSUE?

BIRTH? No, it thinks and feels just as much 5 minutes after, as 5 minutes before.

VIABILITY? No, Human value is not measured by technology; children are viable now at 6 months or before; in time, they will be viable outside the womb from the START.

When is the POINT when abortion is OK? And you must choose a point; obviously abortion at 1 months is MURDER; if you refuse to choose, then you support something that could be murder. In your opinion.

So when I say "I'm pro-choice", I mean "she can CHOOSE not to get PREGNANT."

I frequently "harass" the people at the pro-abortion booth in the state fair, and ALSO those in the pro-life booth; the life booth people always respond with kindness and well-thought answers; the pro-abortion usually threaten to have me thrown out of the fair. Why? Merely for calmly asking: "What's the difference between aborting 2 weeks after conception, and 12 months after conception? When is it murder?"

Last year I actually had a CIVIL conversation with a pro-abortion-proponent. But it was quite depressing --- you cannot converse with anyone unless you have common ground; and we had none. She saw nothing wrong with euthanasia, saving MEDICINES for YOUNGER-WORTHY people. Human life had no value at all. And why should it? We're no different than the animals; we're simply the creation of a vast line of cosmic chemial accidents; we are nothing more than SLIME crawled from the SEA...

On abortion, she pointed at me and said, "What would YOU do if YOU got someone PREGNANT?! Would YOU support the child??? I informed her there were plenty of people willing to adopt the child; and, besides, even though I'm in my early forties, I have never been married, and do not believe in sex before marriage. I am a virgin, and NO one will get pregnant from me.

She was astonished --- that idea had never OCCURRED to her.

So vastly different were our value systems, that was as far as the conversation went. No common ground.

I consoled myself by going over to the "Pro-Life" booth and pointing my finger: "Who do YOU think YOU are to tell a woman what to do with her OWN BODY! Doesn't SHE have the right to control HERSELF? What gives you the right?" They smiled at me, and calmly answered, with eloquence. They always do --- the "Pro-Life" side is always calm and intelligent; the "Pro-Abortion" side is always angry and threatening.

 

[Ben johnson]

Sorry, ADM --- the cartoon was cute; there was a guy at work flaminly "pro-abortion" --- wore hats that would say things like: "PARENT BY CHOICE NOT ACCIDENT". But he was very active in caring for young birds; I found that very contradictory...

 

[lared]

So now.....which country has the weapons of mass destruction?

 

[KatebTheChaotic]

I am "pro-choice"; a woman absolutely SHOULD have the right to choose to have a baby, or not.

The thing is, pregnancy is not like a cold --- one can get a cold even if one does not WANT to; but getting PREGNANT requires conscious ACTION.

A woman who makes a CHOICE not to have a child, DOESN'T GET PREGNANT in the FIRST place.

After she's pregnant, it's no longer SHE, it's SHE and another PERSON. No? Why not? What deliniates PERSON from BLOB-O'-TISSUE?

BIRTH? No, it thinks and feels just as much 5 minutes after, as 5 minutes before.

VIABILITY? No, Human value is not measured by technology; children are viable now at 6 months or before; in time, they will be viable outside the womb from the START.

When is the POINT when abortion is OK? And you must choose a point; obviously abortion at 1 months is MURDER; if you refuse to choose, then you support something that could be murder. In your opinion.

So when I say "I'm pro-choice", I mean "she can CHOOSE not to get PREGNANT."

I frequently "harass" the people at the pro-abortion booth in the state fair, and ALSO those in the pro-life booth; the life booth people always respond with kindness and well-thought answers; the pro-abortion usually threaten to have me thrown out of the fair. Why? Merely for calmly asking: "What's the difference between aborting 2 weeks after conception, and 12 months after conception? When is it murder?"

Last year I actually had a CIVIL conversation with a pro-abortion-proponent. But it was quite depressing --- you cannot converse with anyone unless you have common ground; and we had none. She saw nothing wrong with euthanasia, saving MEDICINES for YOUNGER-WORTHY people. Human life had no value at all. And why should it? We're no different than the animals; we're simply the creation of a vast line of cosmic chemial accidents; we are nothing more than SLIME crawled from the SEA...

On abortion, she pointed at me and said, "What would YOU do if YOU got someone PREGNANT?! Would YOU support the child??? I informed her there were plenty of people willing to adopt the child; and, besides, even though I'm in my early forties, I have never been married, and do not believe in sex before marriage. I am a virgin, and NO one will get pregnant from me.

She was astonished --- that idea had never OCCURRED to her.

So vastly different were our value systems, that was as far as the conversation went. No common ground.

I consoled myself by going over to the "Pro-Life" booth and pointing my finger: "Who do YOU think YOU are to tell a woman what to do with her OWN BODY! Doesn't SHE have the right to control HERSELF? What gives you the right?" They smiled at me, and calmly answered, with eloquence. They always do --- the "Pro-Life" side is always calm and intelligent; the "Pro-Abortion" side is always angry and threatening.

I'm glad you can make such an assumption about pro-choicers based on such limited exposure.

Pro-Choicers generally approve of any and all abortion, calling it murder (as you stated that you did) at any point in time in the pregnancy is going to make them angry, you should've KNOWN that.

Of course, I could always respond with a cliche:

"Bombing abortion clinics doesnt make you PROLIFE!"

but I extended a courtesy to you in assuming that you are indeed NOT an extremist...do proabortionists the same courtesy, please!

 

[Vylo]

Ok, I am generally pro-life, anti-abortion, whatever you want to call it, but I see a lot of errors with that post about pro-choicers.

but getting PREGNANT requires conscious ACTION.

People can be raped, or have reliable contraceptives fail rarely. Not everyone intends to run this risk.

When is the POINT when abortion is OK? And you must choose a point; obviously abortion at 1 months is MURDER; if you refuse to choose, then you support something that could be murder. In your opinion.

Abortions is not technically murder by most standards. Abortion is definetly killing a human entity, but except in cases where the fetus has matured to a certain point, many do not consider it to be a human being.

Human life had no value at all. And why should it? We're no different than the animals; we're simply the creation of a vast line of cosmic chemial accidents; we are nothing more than SLIME crawled from the SEA...

I find this notion that is supported by some pro-choicers to be repulsive, but not all of them think along these lines.

I informed her there were plenty of people willing to adopt the child; and, besides, even though I'm in my early forties, I have never been married, and do not believe in sex before marriage. I am a virgin, and NO one will get pregnant from me.

this part is good, responsibility is something highly neglected these days.

She was astonished --- that idea had never OCCURRED to her.

Well it is pretty amazing, though I admit I am still a virgin at the age of 22.

consoled myself by going over to the "Pro-Life" booth and pointing my finger: "Who do YOU think YOU are to tell a woman what to do with her OWN BODY! Doesn't SHE have the right to control HERSELF? What gives you the right?" They smiled at me, and calmly answered, with eloquence. They always do --- the "Pro-Life" side is always calm and intelligent; the "Pro-Abortion" side is always angry and threatening.

I have seen and heard some extremely nasty pro-lifers, but I do admit that many pro-choice attack with a great amount of zeal. It is a highly controversial topic, you will get different reactions on each side, depending on area and environment.

 

[admtaylor]

I'm sure they care about human babies. Planned Parenthood has never harmed a human baby as far as I know.

What is wrong with them caring about whale babies too?

Isn't it funny how the truth can stare some people right in the face and they still don't see it?

 

[TScott]

Isn't it funny how the truth can stare some people right in the face and they still don't see it?

Yes it is very funny.

 

[draper]

Ben Johnson, something called rape does happen once in a while..