i heard a claim in that film i linked to that the word 'abomination', besides supposedly homosexuality, is only ever used scripturally to describe ritual or legalistic sins. can anyone point out an exception to this?
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First there is no division in old testament law of moral laws, civil laws and Ceremonial laws. Many people claim such but they cant substantiate these divisions biblically.
Abominations listed in the bible:
It is an abomination for an Egyptian to eat bread with a Hebrew at least to the Egyptian. Gen 43:42
Eating from a sacrificed animal after three days is an abomination Lev 7:18
Eating shellfish is an abomination (no more Red Lobster or Long John Silvers for you) Lev 11:10-12
Four legged birds are an abomination (which is good considering they dont exist) Lev 11:20
Male on male rape is an abomination Lev 18:20 and Lev 20:13
Taking gold or silver from an idol you have destroyed is an abomination Deut 7:25
When making an animal sacrifice it is an abomination to offer up a less than perfect animal. Deut 17:1
Women who wear pants are an abomination Deut 22:5
Bringing a prostitute to church is an abomination Deut 23:18
Brining a dog to church is an abomination Deut 23:18
Reconciling with your ex-wife is an abomination Deut 24:4
Burning incense is an abomination Isa 1:13
Eating Pork is an abomination Isa 66:17
Discrimination is an abomination Ezk 18:24
Oppressive treatment of others is an "abomination" Proverbs 3: 31-32.
pride, fibbing, killing an innocent, making evil plans, looking for mischief, false witness, sowing discord in the church all abominations Proverbs 6:16-19
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Abominations, eh? There is a great deal of 'stone-throwing' among Christianity at human beings whose sexual orientation is seen to be different from 'the norm'. These particular people (homosexuals) are hauled before Jesus by those other folks who evidently consider themselves to be above reproach regarding their own righteousness. The latter folks refer to the former folks as 'abominations.'
What would Jesus say to them, I wonder? Would He kneel down and begin to write in the dirt? Would He get up and say ...? . . .well, you know the rest of the story.
I challenge anyone - RIGHT NOW - to either put up or shut up. I realize that this might mess up the fun that we're having on this sub-forum
but, nevertheless, I challenge anyone who is NOT committing some sort of scriptural abomination to come forward and present themselves.
Note: The rules are that one must not pick and choose the 'abominations' that were 'for then' and those that are 'for now.' We're told that God does not change ...so, what were abominations to Him then are SURELY abominations to Him now. If you feel that they are not, then please explain.
What would Jesus say to them, I wonder? Would He kneel down and begin to write in the dirt? Would He get up and say ...? . . .well, you know the rest of the story.
I challenge anyone - RIGHT NOW - to either put up or shut up. I realize that this might mess up the fun that we're having on this sub-forum
but, nevertheless, I challenge anyone who is NOT committing some sort of scriptural abomination to come forward and present themselves.Note: The rules are that one must not pick and choose the 'abominations' that were 'for then' and those that are 'for now.' We're told that God does not change ...so, what were abominations to Him then are SURELY abominations to Him now. If you feel that they are not, then please explain.
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I think that the general idea is that God does not change, but the application of rules has. Being that it was written to ancient israelites, there are certain things that the gentile christians are not held to, whether due to applicability or Christian conversion. I don't really feel like tearing into this however, so I'll leave it at that. God bless!
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It's not about throwing stones at anybody. There is a rather large difference between judging a person and judging their actions! We cannot know the heart of another man, and we cannot judge his intentions, but it is both possible and acceptable for us to understand whether his actions are morally acceptable or not.Abominations, eh? There is a great deal of 'stone-throwing' among Christianity at human beings whose sexual orientation is seen to be different from 'the norm'. These particular people (homosexuals) are hauled before Jesus by those other folks who evidently consider themselves to be above reproach regarding their own righteousness. The latter folks refer to the former folks as 'abominations.'
What would Jesus say to them, I wonder? Would He kneel down and begin to write in the dirt? Would He get up and say ...? . . .well, you know the rest of the story.
I challenge anyone - RIGHT NOW - to either put up or shut up. I realize that this might mess up the fun that we're having on this sub-forum
Note: The rules are that one must not pick and choose the 'abominations' that were 'for then' and those that are 'for now.' We're told that God does not change ...so, what were abominations to Him then are SURELY abominations to Him now. If you feel that they are not, then please explain.
As Christians, we are called to minister and mission -- this is only possible when we can use the knowledge given to us in the Scriptures and decide when we see something going on that God has told is is not OK.
Who are you to demand that anybody "put up or shut up"? You are as far from perfection as I am.
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Please reference the scriptures stating which laws of Leviticus are ceremonial and which laws of Leviticus are civil[/font]
No, some people just refuse to accept the truths of Scripture.
Please reference the scriptures stating which laws of Deuteronomy are moral and which laws of Deuteronomy are ceremonial
Please reference the scriptures stating there is any such division of the law at all
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that doesn’t make sense.
If God is unchanging how can he change his mind about what pleases or displeases him?
If God is unchanging how can he change his mind about any “application” of his rules?
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You want to clarify that? Nothing's being done to me and I'm not doing anything to anybody else.
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That was a good cop out, Jet!
Thanks.
Well Trek, whoops wrong forum, KC, if one is going to cop out one should make it a good one. Actually they did not show a great deal of cred in there argument. More like thinking they are all innocent and can cast the first stone. PS You should re-visit in the POG once or twice)
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Yes, we do know the rest of the story. The woman who was caught in adultery was exhorted by Jesus to 'go and sin no more'.
I am sure He would say the same thing to anyone who was committing a sin (which, whether you like it or not, includes having sex up the rectal passage).
Rad.
P.S. And JT, if you don't have anything meaningful to contribute, could you not write anything?
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He doesn't change his mind. The OT cleanliness and Cerimonial laws were established to define the distinctions between unclean, clean, and holy. A person had to be clean to go to the temple and he had to go to the temple to participate in the sacrifices and become holy.
As stated in the Book of Hebrews, Christ fulfilled all the Temple sacrifices and established his people, once and for all, as Holy. Since there is no longer a Temple and no longer any need for the sacrifices, the ceremonial and cleanliness laws have become meaningless.
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This is not really accurate. For example:
"These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren." (Proverbs 6:16-19, KJV)
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Hi I am new here and am a fairly new Christian, and I really find the story of "casting the first stone" one of my favorites, But some Bibles have this story and some do not. So does anyone know is this an actual "Jesus Story" or what???????
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Hmmm ...JTKirk disappears as fast as he appeared and now we have StarVoyager . . .hmmm . . .
Anyway ...'casting the first stone' or 'the adulterous woman' is also one of my favorite scriptures. It says a lot about human beings in general and the hypocrisy of most of us. But, sadly, it would appear that this scripture was not in the original manuscripts so maybe someone can fill us both in as to where this text actually came from.
I guess this question concerning scripture is as 'on-topic' as these debates get with their twists and turns.
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The Term Homosexuality is never actually found in the Bible. There are many interpretations, and a great many more translations.
It should be noted that passages in the Bible that supposedly deal with "Homosexuality" are very often taken out of context, and are anti-chromatic. The Bible never actually distinguishes between a loving committed, sexual relationships between members of the same sex; vs sexual practices that were "ritualistically unclean".
Fortunately I have the joy of not believing them anyway.
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