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PROBLEMS WITH ANTIOCHUS IV CLAIMED FULFILLMENT OF DANIEL 11:

1. Antiochus didn't come to power using 'flatteries' like Dan.11 says the "vile person" will do.

2. Antiochus did not make a "league" with a small people in Jerusalem like Dan.11 says the "vile person" will do.

3. Antiochus took Jerusalem using an army, not using peace.

4. Jesus quoted the Book of Daniel about the "abomination of desolation" in Dan.11 about 200 years AFTER... Antiochus had been dead!

5. The Romans in 70 A.D. didn't fulfill the Dan.11 prophecy because the 2nd temple burned down before they could get control of it. And a standing temple is required for the "abomination of desolation" event to be fulfilled. Emblems on a staff standing over stone ruins doesn't get it.

Just those facts are enough to show that we are to look for another to fulfill the "vile person" prophecy in Dan.11 sometime in the future.
 
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That said, we must understand that the Beast of sea ALONE is unable to establish a religious kingdom in whole earth or around the earth.


Sounds like you've been into too many SDA books instead of sticking to God's written Word.

The 1st beast of Rev.13:1-2 is the beast kingdom. The Book of Daniel covers both the idea of a beast kingdom, and a beast king. The beast kingdom is what has ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns. The seven heads represent "seven mountains" per Rev.17. So these symbols are not part of the dragon's body, nor any kind of idea like that. This 1st beast is not the dragon, nor a person. It's a system, which is why Rev.13:2 points back to the beast kingdom symbols in Dan.7.


It doesn't have anything to do with just any Gentile rulers vs. Israel. God already gave us the list of nations that will be allied with the coming Antichrist. The list is in Ezekiel 38, and it's Libya, Persia (Iran, Iraq), Gomer (old Soviet satellites), Ethiopia (actually Sudan, which ancient Ethiopia used to include), and Togarmah (the area of Turkey). Those nations are to be allied with the chief prince of Rus, i.e, Russia. And LO... guess who has been funding those nations against Israel and the Christian nations? Russia, i.e., Atheistic-Communism.


The final beast kingdom shown in Dan.2 as the feet of ten toes of part iron mixed with part clay represents the weakest attempt at a one world kingdom. When Jesus (the Stone) comes to smite it upon its feet, we're shown all the five parts of the beast statue falling down 'together'. That's simple terminology for a one-world beast kingdom over all nations. That is what the 1st beast of Rev.13:1-2 is pointing to.


1) The Dragon (Satan or the devil) who has 7 heads, and 10 horns, and a TAIL.
THE BEAST OF THE EARTH-EARTH IS ISRAEL-THE BEAST STILL NEEDS TO MANIFEST- HE HAS TWO HORNS-BY ALLEGORY TWO REIGNS OF ISRAEL-AND TWO FEET OF STATUE-DAN.2-


Sorry, but you're all mixed up. The 2nd beast, the "another beast" of Rev.13:11, that has two horns LIKE a lamb (Jesus), but speaks as a dragon, is a metaphor for Satan coming to PLAY Messiah! If it walks like a duck, talks like duck, it is... a duck. Same idea with one who speaks as a dragon, for the "dragon" of Revelation is simply another title for Satan himself per Rev.12:9, and there is only one 'dragon', not many. He is the same 'red dragon' of the Rev.12:3-4 Scripture.

Note in Rev.12:3-4, at the time when a third of the angels were drawn to earth by the dragon's tail, that beast kingdom of 'old' had only 7 crowns. The system in Rev.13:1 is to have 10 crowns.


That old one of Rev.12:3-4 was about Satan's original rebellion of old, in the world that then was which God destroyed. That was when Satan drew a third of the angels into rebellion with him, as he coveted God's throne. That is a BIG HINT Jesus is giving us, revealing what this final beast kingdom of Rev.13:1 is going to be about, and how it will be that old serpent, the dragon himself, coming to sit over it.

 
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If the two passages below are not related, can you explain why the same warning to flee from Judaea to the mountains is found in both passages?


Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:


Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.


The common word elements in the first verse of each passage also confirm the two passages are speaking of the same event. What is the mathematical probability of finding those same words in two different verses, if they are not related? The word "desolation" is only found 5 times in the New Testament. How many times is that word proceeded by "when ye shall see"?

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I have no idea how you cannot see that what Jesus predicted about the temple and Jerusalem happened in His generation exactly as He predicted.
 
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