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ABC poll shows why Ben Carson must be destroyed
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I really find nothing wrong with their tactics. I won't vote for them, but it has nothing to do with how they are campaigning.
What did I say or imply that gave you that idea?
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She is an idiot and a crazy person.... She's an idiot for staying with Bill for all these years...She is an idiot for staying with the Democrat party after they abandoned her in 08. The list could go on for some time
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Must have been failure of the printed word. I took your statement as more cynical and sarcastic..my apologies.
Your comment I was referring to: "However, using the laws of the Country to protect yourself, your business and your stockholders is just good business and good common sense"
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No problem.
I do believe using the laws of the Country to protect yourself, your business and your stockholders is just good business and good common sense. Actually, the brass at a publicly traded company must do this or come under scrutiny from shareholders and the SEC.
That doesn't mean that some of the tax law loopholes shouldn't be changed.
Carly Fiorina says she has a three page tax law to replace the current 73000 pages (it's actually about 3000 pages) tax law. However, I could not find it anywhere.
If anyone has seen it, please provide a link.
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This is a deeply personal family issue. Criticizing her for the decision to stay with someone who had an affair when you don't know anymore about their lives than the rest of the country is highly inappropriate. Beyond that, I thought that Christianity generally tried to keep families together? Calling her an idiot and a crazy person for trying to reconcile with her husband seems deeply opposed to be.
Where else would she go? The Republican Party wouldn't have even had her in 2008, before it took its sharp right turn and went into no-man's land. Her only chance to be elected is to run on a Democratic ticket. Beyond that, it's not quite fair to say that the Democratic Party turned its back on here. Parties in the U.S. are loose groups, and while many members rejected her as a presidential candidate in favor of Obama, she continued to be supported by other members (and was eventually brought into the Obama administration's cabinet).
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No more personal than calling Carson an idiot for his religious beliefs. Or for that matter calling anyone else an idiot. Your right I don't know anymore about their lives than anyone else. But if people can criticize Carson, Cruz, Sanders, Trump for their personal life...why is it that Clinton is off limits? She's not. And if I personally feel she should have left Bill for his disrespect of their marriage, then so what. I mean is not the whole point of the primaries to dig into all the personal stuff candidates have done in their past, or is that only reserved for Republican candidates?
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It just seems peculiar that conservatives - who generally believe in the sanctity of marriage - would criticize Clinton for not abandoning her marriage. If they usually took the position that wronged wives should leave their husbands rather than forgive them, then this wouldn't seem so hypocritical. It's not that criticizing her personal choices is wrong, it's that criticizing this particular choice seems hypocritical coming from religious conservatives.
But I didn't get religious conservatives criticizing Carter's lack of ostentation either - oh well.
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I can see that. But technically speaking the sanctity of their marriage was ruined when Bill decided to have an affair. Based on Biblical principles this is the type of divorce that is allowed. But it is not just conservatives that would claim she should have left him..I have actually heard that more from liberal women than anything else. That is at least my experience. And just to be clear, I personally do not care if she stayed with him or not, I was using that as an example to cal her an idiot because I have heard people call her that because of the affair(s).
The point being though, as it relates to the comments made about calling people idiots, the standard is subjective and TudorGothicSerpent criticized me for bring up the affair, on the grounds it was a "deeply personal family issue."
The point being though, as it relates to the comments made about calling people idiots, the standard is subjective and TudorGothicSerpent criticized me for bring up the affair, on the grounds it was a "deeply personal family issue."
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Clinton's marriage has nothing to do with this topic on Ben Carson. You deserve criticism for attempting to derail the thread.
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You would if it were I posting stuff to derail the thread.
Face it, the republican candidates are all pathetic, and Carson is at the top of that list. I am amazed at how many ignorant people want a clueless individual such as Carson to lead the country.
Face it, the republican candidates are all pathetic, and Carson is at the top of that list. I am amazed at how many ignorant people want a clueless individual such as Carson to lead the country.
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I only brought up Clinton when someone said folks like Carson were "idiots". So as an example people could call Clinton an idiot for staying with Bill. Wasn't derailing anything, someone wanted to challenge my use of that as an example...chastise them : ) leave me alone
LOL
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I rarely have done so.
Sounds like projection of the Democrat candidates ... the party you've made clear you intend to vote for.
Curious that you put him at the top of the list. He's not at the top of the polls.
I know what you mean. I've been amazed at the number of ignorant people who wanted a clueless individual such as Obama to lead the country ... twice. Weird, huh?
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Carson is at the top of the list of candidates who are pathetic. You would understand that if you read what I wrote.
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I would agree that she's not off limits for personal criticism. I don't even like Clinton. I think she's too hawkish on foreign policy, I don't like how much money she's gotten from Wall Street, and I don't trust her to support liberal social issues when the public starts to look like it's against her. She's the last candidate that I would give special immunity to. That said, I noted that a decision to stay in a marriage is deeply personal because there are so many factors that you can't know about. You can't know how the people involved feel about one another, what reasons they might have for staying together, etc. You seem to believe she stayed with him because he came home one evening, gave her a big smile and a wink, and said he wouldn't do it again. I can't know that's not what happened, but it's a lot more likely that they spent months trying to piece together what was left of their relationship even after they made the difficult decision to try to keep it together.
Beyond that, I'm not saying that Carson is an idiot for his religious beliefs. I believe that some of them are wrong to the point that it's confusing how an accomplished neurosurgeon could believe them (the Young Earth Creationism being the case in point), but he's not stupid. Other than Trump's bankruptcy, which is pretty obviously related to his possible performance as a president, I try to stay away from criticisms of a candidate's personal life. It's important to address the person who is actually debating with you rather than a hypothetical individual who shares all of the criticisms launched by people on their side of the aisle. I cant and won't defend behavior that I don't support.
The point of a primary is to determine what direction you want the party to go on political issues, not to dig up personal stuff. That happens, but it's not the point.
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Sure, liberal women would tend to advise her to ditch the cad, but in general, do religious conservatives chastise women for not leaving their husbands and not divorcing them for their infidelity? I thought there was an ideological difference between what liberal women and religious conservatives would counsel.
I agree that the standard is deeply subjective, but is it your habit to criticize "wronged" women for standing by their man? Or is it dependent on which woman and which man and not the circumstance? Are you willing to put aside your moral convictions to make a political point - I'm assuming that you are a religious conservative or do you actually think that women should break up their families over their husbands philandering?
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