Abandoned in Marriage-Interpretations?

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Monday, June 29, 2009 (Dream I had in during the late morning)

I had just gotten married to my friend, Spencer. I did not see the wedding, but the memories in the dream started right after that point.

*Spencer is one of my dearest and closest friends in real life, but he struggles with his faith a great deal, which is one of the reasons I became friends with him, and I don't consider marrying him nor does he consider marrying me, but we are extremely close to one another, and I pump as much of Christ into his life as I can.*

Spencer and I are going to make our home in New York. We go up there for some period of time, maybe several weeks with each other. But, I end up going back to Georgia and my family is going to make a trip up there with me to visit and help me bring some things back for our underfurnished apartment. I feel very anxious about this, because there have been problems between Spencer and I the past weeks we have been in New York. He has essentially abandoned me. He began working several odd jobs to pay for his film projects, but he will not talk to me about any of them or the film projects and he rarely comes home. . .maybe once a week. I don't want to tell my family this, and I keep trying to figure out how I will explain to them if he is not there and doesn't come home.

So, I get to our apartment and the door is open, because either Spencer or I have allowed someone to put up shelves and open-up a shop in our living room. I wasn't alarmed at the people there, so I must have known about it. My family doesn't ask any questions about it. So, we continue toward the kitchen and the apartment is very run-down -looks incomplete in a lot of ways. My family begins unpacking things in the kitchen. THey seem very happy and positive, but kind of lacking substance . . .

I leave the apartment to search for Spencer, though I don't tell them that is what I am doing. I know he is working somewhere around the block, but I don't know where, so I search and search, and finally find him working as a waiter in a very expensive restauraunt. I literally beg him to come home while my family is there. He agrees to come home, but is still distanced from me emotionally.

We go home and we both are in our room, which has become more "his" room since I left a few weeks earlier to go to Georgia and come back. The room is very bare. We have a boxspring and mattress, but no frame, so it is sitting on the floor. The bed has the sheets and comforter spread across it, but it is not made up. The comforter is an ugly brown. There is a nightstand with a lamp and the computer is on a desk beside the door. That is all that is in the room and it again, has an incompletel feeling-the walls have been stripped and caulked and need to be painted.

We have been home for awhile. I am sitting on the bed with my back against the wall, looking at Spencer as he works on the computer. We have been talking, but Spencer still seems unresponsive and will not open up. I am sitting on the bed and I am longing to consummate our marriage, that is the feeling that I feel as I look at him, like our marriage needs to be consummated, but that there is a wall up that I cannot get through. (I'm not really clear why our marriage was not consummated already, but from the dream it appears that it was not.) Then, I ask him to please go and talk to my family and not let on to them that we are having problems. He reluctantly agrees.

So, we both go to the kitchen and we are standing outside of the entryway, but we can all see each other. He goes and tells them hello and begins chatting. And then he explains to them that he has just been working in his bedroom. The he looks over at me, looks me in the eyes and says I mean "our" bedroom.

Then, I woke up from the dream, still with the feelings all over me, the sense of being abandoned and that feeling of needing to consummate my marriage. (though I am not married in real life)

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When I look at this dream, all I can see is church!
I see you as being the Holy Spirit, spencer as being a church member, who is a christian in name only, but has no actual relationship with the Lord.
I see the family as those who do have a relationship with the Lord, of sorts, but are caught up in worldly things.
The shop is the all too familiar commercialisation of christianity. the bedroom is the place of intimacy and it has been sadly neglected. And I think the Holy Spirit is longing to bring God's children into a loving relationship with the Father, but they will not have it.
So sad.
 
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When I look at this dream, all I can see is church!
I see you as being the Holy Spirit, spencer as being a church member, who is a christian in name only, but has no actual relationship with the Lord.
I see the family as those who do have a relationship with the Lord, of sorts, but are caught up in worldly things.
The shop is the all too familiar commercialisation of christianity. the bedroom is the place of intimacy and it has been sadly neglected. And I think the Holy Spirit is longing to bring God's children into a loving relationship with the Father, but they will not have it.
So sad.


Thank you! :) I wasn't sure how to look at it, but this makes sense to me, especially considering the ministry that God has me in, sort of evangelizing the church (if that makes sense).
 
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When I look at this dream, all I can see is church!
I see you as being the Holy Spirit, spencer as being a church member, who is a christian in name only, but has no actual relationship with the Lord.
I see the family as those who do have a relationship with the Lord, of sorts, but are caught up in worldly things.
The shop is the all too familiar commercialisation of christianity. the bedroom is the place of intimacy and it has been sadly neglected. And I think the Holy Spirit is longing to bring God's children into a loving relationship with the Father, but they will not have it.
So sad.

Thank you! This is good!
 
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I think mercyreigns may be right about the church. Technically we are the bride that does not want intimacy with our groom rather than the other way around, but I believe that this was given to you in order for you to know how Yeshua feels about His bride.

It's very interesting that you had this dream because I had one similar last year, though less detailed. I dreamt that it was my wedding day. Everything went well and the wedding went off without a hitch. I don't remember what she looked like but that wasn't the point. After the marriage she just left and I didn't know where she went. I went back to our hotel room but she wasn't there.
I can't even begin to tell you how painful this was. I had this helpless feeling, like 'WHERE IS SHE?!?!' and could not find her at all. Had no idea where she was. It was like a piece of my heart had been torn away.

Then the Lord spoke to me and said 'This is how I feel about My bride, Brian. This is how I feel about My church.'
I said "Yeah that sucks, God. But did I really have to go through this?"-- not knowing, like in many dreams, that this was not reality.

Thankfully I woke up and saw that it was indeed a dream. But I'll never forget it. So many believers accept salvation and that's all; no intimacy, no depth to the relationship. Oh they say their token prayers before their meals and before they sleep, and they go to church, and they to all sorts of churchy things, and they even do God a favor and open their Bible from time to time so that they don't feel guilty. But there is so much more that people miss out on.

It's like they wander in the wilderness going around in circles-- much like the Israelites all those years ago. They'd had a land promised to them but in their stubborn foolishness they missed it because they did not know God intimately, for if they did then they would know that His plans for them were for good and not for evil.
 
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I think mercyreigns may be right about the church. Technically we are the bride that does not want intimacy with our groom rather than the other way around, but I believe that this was given to you in order for you to know how Yeshua feels about His bride.

It's very interesting that you had this dream because I had one similar last year, though less detailed. I dreamt that it was my wedding day. Everything went well and the wedding went off without a hitch. I don't remember what she looked like but that wasn't the point. After the marriage she just left and I didn't know where she went. I went back to our hotel room but she wasn't there.
I can't even begin to tell you how painful this was. I had this helpless feeling, like 'WHERE IS SHE?!?!' and could not find her at all. Had no idea where she was. It was like a piece of my heart had been torn away.

Then the Lord spoke to me and said 'This is how I feel about My bride, Brian. This is how I feel about My church.'
I said "Yeah that sucks, God. But did I really have to go through this?"-- not knowing, like in many dreams, that this was not reality.

Thankfully I woke up and saw that it was indeed a dream. But I'll never forget it. So many believers accept salvation and that's all; no intimacy, no depth to the relationship. Oh they say their token prayers before their meals and before they sleep, and they go to church, and they to all sorts of churchy things, and they even do God a favor and open their Bible from time to time so that they don't feel guilty.

It's like they wander in the wilderness going around in circles-- much like the Israelites all those years ago. They'd had a land promised to them but in their stubborn foolishness they missed it because they did not know God intimately, for if they did then they would know that His plans for them were for good and not for evil.

This is good and so true! God often speaks to us in dreams in such a way so that we will know how he feels, and often it is very painful, but we never forget and we should never forget. Thanks so much for sharing this!
 
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It also shows how much Spencer means to you, and how you wish you could connect the Spencer parts of your life with the family parts of your life. Especially in a time of being so unsettled. So many uncertainties during the move, you need anchors.

But your favorite anchors in your dream were distant, and not there for you. I was a little confused in the beginning, which parts were dream and which were real. You're moving for real, right? But just as friends.
especially considering the ministry that God has me in, sort of evangelizing the church (if that makes sense).
Oh wow, that seems fitting!

I just was on a thread where I needed to look up Hosea, so I will take this opp to suggest you read it -- it's short.

God used real human examples to show the harlotry of His people, the children that were the results of the union, and God's efforts to bring His people back as a wife that He continually loved.

Hosea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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*Spencer is one of my dearest and closest friends in real life, but he struggles with his faith a great deal, which is one of the reasons I became friends with him, and I don't consider marrying him nor does he consider marrying me, but we are extremely close to one another, and I pump as much of Christ into his life as I can.*


That is the only part that applies to my real life. Most of my family that was there are not saved (my parents) in real life, but they have been coming closer to God, but still very distant (in real life).

I'm not even close to a move, as far as I know and I definitely would not be moving in with a man who is not my husband. And I do love Spencer deeply, but more like a brother. I don't consider romantic feelings for men who don't wholeheartedly pursue Christ.

So, hopefully, that helps clear some things up. ;)
 
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It also shows how much Spencer means to you, and how you wish you could connect the Spencer parts of your life with the family parts of your life. Especially in a time of being so unsettled. So many uncertainties during the move, you need anchors.

But your favorite anchors in your dream were distant, and not there for you. I was a little confused in the beginning, which parts were dream and which were real. You're moving for real, right? But just as friends.

Oh wow, that seems fitting!

I just was on a thread where I needed to look up Hosea, so I will take this opp to suggest you read it -- it's short.

God used real human examples to show the harlotry of His people, the children that were the results of the union, and God's efforts to bring His people back as a wife that He continually loved.

Hosea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


And thanks for the suggestion. I will read Hosea again. :thumbsup:
 
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I think mercyreigns may be right about the church. Technically we are the bride that does not want intimacy with our groom rather than the other way around, but I believe that this was given to you in order for you to know how Yeshua feels about His bride.

It's very interesting that you had this dream because I had one similar last year, though less detailed. I dreamt that it was my wedding day. Everything went well and the wedding went off without a hitch. I don't remember what she looked like but that wasn't the point. After the marriage she just left and I didn't know where she went. I went back to our hotel room but she wasn't there.
I can't even begin to tell you how painful this was. I had this helpless feeling, like 'WHERE IS SHE?!?!' and could not find her at all. Had no idea where she was. It was like a piece of my heart had been torn away.

Then the Lord spoke to me and said 'This is how I feel about My bride, Brian. This is how I feel about My church.'
I said "Yeah that sucks, God. But did I really have to go through this?"-- not knowing, like in many dreams, that this was not reality.

Thankfully I woke up and saw that it was indeed a dream. But I'll never forget it. So many believers accept salvation and that's all; no intimacy, no depth to the relationship. Oh they say their token prayers before their meals and before they sleep, and they go to church, and they to all sorts of churchy things, and they even do God a favor and open their Bible from time to time so that they don't feel guilty. But there is so much more that people miss out on.

It's like they wander in the wilderness going around in circles-- much like the Israelites all those years ago. They'd had a land promised to them but in their stubborn foolishness they missed it because they did not know God intimately, for if they did then they would know that His plans for them were for good and not for evil.


Thank you for sharing this. Very interesting that you had a similar dream, and the emotions you described very much sounded like what I experienced in the dream as well. There was such a longing in my heart and I just felt broken to pieces.

So, now I am just wondering what God would like me to do in response to this dream, besides what I am doing.
 
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Okay, thanks. I do think that your feelings toward him are an illustration -- that he was in the dream because it expressed that sort of devotion and loyalty... along with you feeling betrayed or distanced.

I think so, too. :thumbsup:
 
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Playing around with a global variation of the dream:

*Spencer is one of my dearest and closest friends in real life, but he struggles with his faith a great deal, which is one of the reasons I became friends with him, and I don't consider marrying him nor does he consider marrying me, but we are extremely close to one another, and I pump as much of Christ into his life as I can.*
The US (Or Georgia?) having a close alliance with another country of different goals but basically similar interests. (UK, Canada) No intent to be treated as one.

Spencer and I are going to make our home in New York.
Heading out of territory, to a location with long-standing international ties and commerce. Different opportunities, a center for certain businesses. High end film, banking, etc.; international communications.

We go up there for some period of time, maybe several weeks with each other. But, I end up going back to Georgia
Temporary testing of the grounds.

and my family is going to make a trip up there with me to visit and help me bring some things back for our underfurnished apartment.
Support from home base for your ventures.

I feel very anxious about this, because there have been problems between Spencer and I the past weeks we have been in New York. He has essentially abandoned me.
Lack of communications, distance due to focus on independent problems -- banking, stock market, internal concerns, military involvements. Maybe quiet promises not kept, maybe disinterest causing assumptions of renege.

He began working several odd jobs to pay for his film projects, but he will not talk to me about any of them or the film projects and he rarely comes home. . .maybe once a week.

Other nation branching out into negotiations with other countries (or states), presenting possible risks with original allegiances.

I don't want to tell my family this, and I keep trying to figure out how I will explain to them if he is not there and doesn't come home.

So, I get to our apartment and the door is open,
Vulnerable to invasion, takeover, economic manipulation, tech and security leaks

because either Spencer or I have allowed someone to put up shelves and open-up a shop in our living room.
Provided a foundation for a foothold... storing or leaving supplies, setting up house, establishing factories or business agreements, manipulating the currency or banking systems through active businesses.

I wasn't alarmed at the people there, so I must have known about it.
Note that international businesses set up shop anywhere, and nobody thinks anything of it. But they have a foothold. Remember the hooplah over docks, and companies that regularly ship being able to leave dangerous items at the docks.

My family doesn't ask any questions about it. ...
Then, I woke up from the dream, still with the feelings all over me, the sense of being abandoned and that feeling of needing to consummate my marriage. (though I am not married in real life)
Need to lock that alliance into place, before the valuable partnership gets lost with the recent shifting of other alliances.

(If X is with Y, and Y is with Z, then W can't sell to X without disturbing Z...)

Just a thought.
 
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Monday, June 29, 2009 (Dream I had in during the late morning)

I had just gotten married to my friend, Spencer. I did not see the wedding, but the memories in the dream started right after that point.

*Spencer is one of my dearest and closest friends in real life, but he struggles with his faith a great deal, which is one of the reasons I became friends with him, and I don't consider marrying him nor does he consider marrying me, but we are extremely close to one another, and I pump as much of Christ into his life as I can.*

Spencer and I are going to make our home in New York. We go up there for some period of time, maybe several weeks with each other. But, I end up going back to Georgia and my family is going to make a trip up there with me to visit and help me bring some things back for our underfurnished apartment. I feel very anxious about this, because there have been problems between Spencer and I the past weeks we have been in New York. He has essentially abandoned me. He began working several odd jobs to pay for his film projects, but he will not talk to me about any of them or the film projects and he rarely comes home. . .maybe once a week. I don't want to tell my family this, and I keep trying to figure out how I will explain to them if he is not there and doesn't come home.

So, I get to our apartment and the door is open, because either Spencer or I have allowed someone to put up shelves and open-up a shop in our living room. I wasn't alarmed at the people there, so I must have known about it. My family doesn't ask any questions about it. So, we continue toward the kitchen and the apartment is very run-down -looks incomplete in a lot of ways. My family begins unpacking things in the kitchen. THey seem very happy and positive, but kind of lacking substance . . .

I leave the apartment to search for Spencer, though I don't tell them that is what I am doing. I know he is working somewhere around the block, but I don't know where, so I search and search, and finally find him working as a waiter in a very expensive restauraunt. I literally beg him to come home while my family is there. He agrees to come home, but is still distanced from me emotionally.

We go home and we both are in our room, which has become more "his" room since I left a few weeks earlier to go to Georgia and come back. The room is very bare. We have a boxspring and mattress, but no frame, so it is sitting on the floor. The bed has the sheets and comforter spread across it, but it is not made up. The comforter is an ugly brown. There is a nightstand with a lamp and the computer is on a desk beside the door. That is all that is in the room and it again, has an incompletel feeling-the walls have been stripped and caulked and need to be painted.

We have been home for awhile. I am sitting on the bed with my back against the wall, looking at Spencer as he works on the computer. We have been talking, but Spencer still seems unresponsive and will not open up. I am sitting on the bed and I am longing to consummate our marriage, that is the feeling that I feel as I look at him, like our marriage needs to be consummated, but that there is a wall up that I cannot get through. (I'm not really clear why our marriage was not consummated already, but from the dream it appears that it was not.) Then, I ask him to please go and talk to my family and not let on to them that we are having problems. He reluctantly agrees.

So, we both go to the kitchen and we are standing outside of the entryway, but we can all see each other. He goes and tells them hello and begins chatting. And then he explains to them that he has just been working in his bedroom. The he looks over at me, looks me in the eyes and says I mean "our" bedroom.

Then, I woke up from the dream, still with the feelings all over me, the sense of being abandoned and that feeling of needing to consummate my marriage. (though I am not married in real life)

Any insights?

Honestly, I relate with this dream, a lot. My first wife and I started out in such a bare room -- just a bare mattress. She left me. (I do not believe in divorce and strive to be faithful against all.) My second wife, I went into computers, and she was very upset. But, I had to, to support the family. [Should be noted, she eventually 'got that', and we will surely never be separated. But it was hard at first. I came from blue collar, and became a success, to provide for all our kids, though we would be happy in a trailer... for sure.]


My wife in the second case, we started out as best friends, and still are. Later, more, after separation, with my first wife. We remain good friends who share much.

Really, that is what relationships are about. People can get caught up in sex. It is meaningless. It is about the heart. Romance, yes, but ultimately, about children, and sharing a life for them, and friends.


As we are all molded to Christ, for me, this means - and maybe for your dream - we can feel separate from God, while God works out the salvation of the other children of Christ, of God... the lost ones.

They are the ones who really need a home, who need to understand that love... and the deeper meaning of partnership... not being alone... but being together.


Sometimes, though, guys can get so caught up in trying to make sure things are okay with the kids... they can forget about the one they are with, and the family already there.


So, I see that as really deep stuff of the heart.


For me, I recently reconciled my with ex's mother. She is actually a wonderful woman. But, I did not like her Mormonism. Now, I see beyond that.

Sometimes, we have to look beyond faults. Even when they are real. And accept the one we are with.


**And where they come from***.

The future is critical... but so is today.


:)
 
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