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I looked at this thread - then went away from it - but I had to come back to it
This is such an important issue - so extremely important. It is a thread I would write on and post and indeed would want to write on this issue than just about any other issue, but it is a topic that has disappointed me more than any other. It disappoints me because it seems that we say 'friend of God' but He doesn't seem to be that like we say. If He is, it is something hidden more than any other thing.
If I have a friend and decide to tell someone about my friend to I tell that someone something from a book? Not me - I would tell someone about my friend by giving a story about my friend. Would I just tell someone about a really good friend of mine "We have a true friend". My friend is a good friend but He is my friend! The friendship is personal. My friend my be someone else's friends and maybe after exchanging stories I might say "WE" have a true friend. Ah - maybe I could assume that all Christian know the Lord as a friend, but it seems like a jump in logic. He should be a friend to all Christians, but from what I hear that is not necessarily the case. It's not that He is not friendly, but being friendly does not instantly make a friend. Time spent together does that.
Now He is my friend. He sometimes tells me jokes. "There were three chickens in the barnyard. A big fat chicken. A medium size chicken. And a little small chicken. Which one did the fox go for?"
A person can read about a person, but that doesn't make him a friend. A person can bow down to their God, but that doesn't make him a friend. A person can follow the instructions of their Lord, but that doesn't make them friends. A person can see miracles from an awesome and might being, but that doesn't make them friends. A person can get instructions from a Teacher, but that doesn't make them friends. You talk to a friend different than you talk to your God, your Lord, a miracle worker, or a Teacher. A friend will talk to you about all the things in their life. Thus Jn 15:15 in the OP is correct, but do we understand what that verse means. It means we get things like jokes because or personal recollections, and so much.
So which did the fox go for the big fat chicken in the barnyard, the medium size chicken, or the little small chicken. The fox went for the chicken farthest from the dog of course!
If you become a friend of the Lord our God, the King of king, it is because you spend time with Him talking about they type of things that friends talk about. That mean you tend to stay close to Him. So whether you are a big fat Christian, a medium size Christian, or a little bitty Christian, stay close to God. It has it's advantages.
Do you know what the worse day for the Lord was? It wasn't the day of the cross. That was the most painful for Him personally, but the worse day was a day we call Christmas. It was the day He willingly came down out of heaven and took on flesh. That is not the type of information you find out in the Scriptures. It is the type of thing you find out from spending time with a friend. It was hard for Him to make the decision to willingly come down out of heaven. Apparently heaven really is far better than we can imagine. The Father asked Him to do it, but He has free will. He uses it to do what the Father asks, but He didn't have to. He also knew what was going to wind up happening. He knew He would be a baby. Can you image knowing that you were going from this incredible being to being a baby?
Christmas is a wonderful time to celebrate for us people who got so much from it, but knowing Him as a friend is going to mean knowing how He feels about things that you don't know otherwise. You don't need to know how tough it was for Him to take on flesh and the commitment it meant, but really being a friend of His results in personal conversations with Him, just like having a close relationship with any person, except having the Lord as a friend means a little deeper understanding.
Oh - it was probably stupid of me posting on this thread. Who knows of what I am talking about?
This is such an important issue - so extremely important. It is a thread I would write on and post and indeed would want to write on this issue than just about any other issue, but it is a topic that has disappointed me more than any other. It disappoints me because it seems that we say 'friend of God' but He doesn't seem to be that like we say. If He is, it is something hidden more than any other thing.
If I have a friend and decide to tell someone about my friend to I tell that someone something from a book? Not me - I would tell someone about my friend by giving a story about my friend. Would I just tell someone about a really good friend of mine "We have a true friend". My friend is a good friend but He is my friend! The friendship is personal. My friend my be someone else's friends and maybe after exchanging stories I might say "WE" have a true friend. Ah - maybe I could assume that all Christian know the Lord as a friend, but it seems like a jump in logic. He should be a friend to all Christians, but from what I hear that is not necessarily the case. It's not that He is not friendly, but being friendly does not instantly make a friend. Time spent together does that.
Now He is my friend. He sometimes tells me jokes. "There were three chickens in the barnyard. A big fat chicken. A medium size chicken. And a little small chicken. Which one did the fox go for?"
A person can read about a person, but that doesn't make him a friend. A person can bow down to their God, but that doesn't make him a friend. A person can follow the instructions of their Lord, but that doesn't make them friends. A person can see miracles from an awesome and might being, but that doesn't make them friends. A person can get instructions from a Teacher, but that doesn't make them friends. You talk to a friend different than you talk to your God, your Lord, a miracle worker, or a Teacher. A friend will talk to you about all the things in their life. Thus Jn 15:15 in the OP is correct, but do we understand what that verse means. It means we get things like jokes because or personal recollections, and so much.
So which did the fox go for the big fat chicken in the barnyard, the medium size chicken, or the little small chicken. The fox went for the chicken farthest from the dog of course!
If you become a friend of the Lord our God, the King of king, it is because you spend time with Him talking about they type of things that friends talk about. That mean you tend to stay close to Him. So whether you are a big fat Christian, a medium size Christian, or a little bitty Christian, stay close to God. It has it's advantages.
Do you know what the worse day for the Lord was? It wasn't the day of the cross. That was the most painful for Him personally, but the worse day was a day we call Christmas. It was the day He willingly came down out of heaven and took on flesh. That is not the type of information you find out in the Scriptures. It is the type of thing you find out from spending time with a friend. It was hard for Him to make the decision to willingly come down out of heaven. Apparently heaven really is far better than we can imagine. The Father asked Him to do it, but He has free will. He uses it to do what the Father asks, but He didn't have to. He also knew what was going to wind up happening. He knew He would be a baby. Can you image knowing that you were going from this incredible being to being a baby?
Christmas is a wonderful time to celebrate for us people who got so much from it, but knowing Him as a friend is going to mean knowing how He feels about things that you don't know otherwise. You don't need to know how tough it was for Him to take on flesh and the commitment it meant, but really being a friend of His results in personal conversations with Him, just like having a close relationship with any person, except having the Lord as a friend means a little deeper understanding.
Oh - it was probably stupid of me posting on this thread. Who knows of what I am talking about?
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John 13:13. Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
My assertion in the thread that I hold to is that we only become a friend to the King after we have served Him faithfully, until He calls us His friend.
John 15:15. Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knows not what his lord does: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
The servant who serves a king faithfully in His presence, sensitive to His Will, eventually becomes His friend, even a trusted confidant.
He addressed his disciples in Luke:
Luke 22:28. But you are those who have continued with Me in My trials.
Remember, many of his disciples turned away.
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Jn 5:39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life
Back then the Jews, in general, felt that they were faithfully serving the Lord, but what they were doing was searching Scriptures instead of actually turning to Him and listening to what He was saying. So look at your other verse Jn 15:15 - do you have it interpreted correctly or to accomidate searching the Scriptures instead of turning to the Lord?
Jn 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knows not what his lord does: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
Knowing Scripture does not mean you that He talks to you about "all things" that He hears from the Father. The Lord once told me, "Karl, can 1500 pages contain all that I have to tell you?" Have we not even read that if all thing the Lord did, even in that short period of time (3 years) He was ministering on earth, were written down that perhaps the whole earth could not contain the writings? People - knowing the Scriptures is not knowing the Lord. He is a person, the Christ, the Word of God - not the Scriptures. He is called the Word of God because He talks to those who know Him, and they listen to Him. His sheep indeed hear His voice and since He never leaves them they hear numerous things each and everyday!! So why would I only talk about the few things written in the Bible, if I truly know Him. I might, and I do sometimes use Scriptures to help make a point. The Scriptures are good for reproof, to reprove someone thinking knowing the Scriptures give them eternal life and friendship with the Lord.
If someone is indeed friends with the Lord Jesus Christ they know of what I am saying, because they know and talk to Him daily. It is written shout on the house tops what you hear whispered in your ear, not what you read with your eyes! So I will give you a parable that He gave me. It should be easy to figure out the meaning, but not for all.
TWO TOWNS:
Once upon a time there was a town called Two because it had two people in the town. Now two miles away there was another town, called Too because it too had two people in the town. Now the two judges in the land came to Two and went to Too too because they wanted to judge whether Two or Too should be required to change their name. The judges decided to hold court at two in Too in two days.
So, in two days the two judges with the two of Two travel the two miles to Too. So at two in Too the two judges and the two of Too and the two of Two too held the hearing,
Of course it didn’t take but two minutes to decide that since neither of the two towns had the same name there was nothing that could be done. So at two after two both the two of Too and the two of Two hugged the two judges because the two of Too and the two of Two loved the names of Two and Too too.
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Friendship is a type of relationship. It differs from that of a master and servant. If also differs from a teacher and a student. If also differs from a sexual relationship. You can have more than one of the above types of relationships with the same person, but those are different types of relationship. Also, all relationship are built up. And this is true with other person including the person of Jesus Christ.
Now you can't have a relationship with a book, because it is not a person. A person or persons may have written the book but still you can't have a relationship with a book. Also, reading a book does not give you a relationship with a person. This is probably why in this section of the forum "deeper fellowship" they did not want lots of scripture or debate about scriptures because it is about fellowship, which implies relationship.
I like choosing this section, when given a choice, because I really would like to be able to talk to other Christians who have a close personal relationship with the Lord. They do exist. I sometimes run into them. They are not the ones quoting scriptures over and over but they know scripture. They are the ones telling you very interesting things about them and the Lord. Sadly, they usually are timid about doing so.
We are supposed to be shouting on the house tops, but we too often are worried about doing so. We often have been hurt because if we tell someone else about our personal relationship with the Lord some spirit will not like that. That is not the Spirit of God because "what you hear whispered in your ear, shout on the house tops" came through the Holy Spirit of God.
Now I would like people to really get to know the Lord Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit, so silly me I go around telling people to get to know Jesus Christ personally and I even put for what I have heard whispered in my ear. If I could only get people to seek the Lord for themselves. That is want I want, and is what those people who wrote the bible wanted to - that you should seek Him, listen to Him and thus have things you heard whispered in your ears that you (from being zealous for Him) would shout out. Things like:
AS INSTRUCTIONS ARE GIVEN TO A SERVANT, AND WISDOM AND PARABLES TO A SON, AND AS JOKES ARE GIVEN TO A FRIEND, SO I LOVE YOU IS SAID TO A BRIDE.
If you listen to Him you will hear different types of things. What you hear can tell you what types of relationships you have with Him. He tells me instructions which I follow, so I am a servant. I can tell you instructions He has given me in the past, like opening a Christian bookstore for Him. He gives me bits of wisdom like the above, so I am like a son to Him. I can give you jokes that I heard from Him, so we are friends. And the most common thing I hear from Him is "I love you." So He, God, really cares about me and I know this.
The first words I heard from Him were "Read Your Bible" and I told myself afterwards, 'That was God'. I did not serve Him at that time so He was not my master who I was serving but He is always God, whether I know that or Him. I didn't have a relationship with Him then and neither did the Pharisee when He took on flesh, even though they read and studied the Sacred writings and did works according to their understanding.
Now you can't have a relationship with a book, because it is not a person. A person or persons may have written the book but still you can't have a relationship with a book. Also, reading a book does not give you a relationship with a person. This is probably why in this section of the forum "deeper fellowship" they did not want lots of scripture or debate about scriptures because it is about fellowship, which implies relationship.
I like choosing this section, when given a choice, because I really would like to be able to talk to other Christians who have a close personal relationship with the Lord. They do exist. I sometimes run into them. They are not the ones quoting scriptures over and over but they know scripture. They are the ones telling you very interesting things about them and the Lord. Sadly, they usually are timid about doing so.
We are supposed to be shouting on the house tops, but we too often are worried about doing so. We often have been hurt because if we tell someone else about our personal relationship with the Lord some spirit will not like that. That is not the Spirit of God because "what you hear whispered in your ear, shout on the house tops" came through the Holy Spirit of God.
Now I would like people to really get to know the Lord Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit, so silly me I go around telling people to get to know Jesus Christ personally and I even put for what I have heard whispered in my ear. If I could only get people to seek the Lord for themselves. That is want I want, and is what those people who wrote the bible wanted to - that you should seek Him, listen to Him and thus have things you heard whispered in your ears that you (from being zealous for Him) would shout out. Things like:
AS INSTRUCTIONS ARE GIVEN TO A SERVANT, AND WISDOM AND PARABLES TO A SON, AND AS JOKES ARE GIVEN TO A FRIEND, SO I LOVE YOU IS SAID TO A BRIDE.
If you listen to Him you will hear different types of things. What you hear can tell you what types of relationships you have with Him. He tells me instructions which I follow, so I am a servant. I can tell you instructions He has given me in the past, like opening a Christian bookstore for Him. He gives me bits of wisdom like the above, so I am like a son to Him. I can give you jokes that I heard from Him, so we are friends. And the most common thing I hear from Him is "I love you." So He, God, really cares about me and I know this.
The first words I heard from Him were "Read Your Bible" and I told myself afterwards, 'That was God'. I did not serve Him at that time so He was not my master who I was serving but He is always God, whether I know that or Him. I didn't have a relationship with Him then and neither did the Pharisee when He took on flesh, even though they read and studied the Sacred writings and did works according to their understanding.
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