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Merrill

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Even if what you say is true about environmental factors, estrogens impacting the fetus, etc., it doesn't explain a 20 fold increase in gender dysphoria in the UK, and a similar increase in the US

an exceedingly rare condition, which historically impacts like .001% of the population, does not suddenly explode without outside factors. Those outside factors are social, ideological, etc. (and it isn't because it is more 'socially accepted')

In the very rare, legitimate cases of gender dysphoria (not simply parents influencing their kids), there may very well be genetic, environmental factors at play. But the solution is NOT to subject a kid to hormone treatments, or surgery. We cannot change the sex of anyone, and young kids are not capable of giving consent to irreversible, cosmetic surgery, chemical castrations, whatever.
 
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How do you know that it's not because it's more socially accepted? Aren't you just handwaving that away because you find it incredulous?
 
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You should probably just copy and paste this anytime someone posts peer reviewed work.

So.... you're just going to gloss over the fact that you accused people of not reading your studies when you only posted abstracts and didn't even read the studies yourself? You do know that there's more to research than just the abstracts, right?
 
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So no evidence. Well done. The agenda to disenfranchise the non Christian from society is monstrous.
my argument has nothing to do with Christianity.

we don't need the Bible to tell us psychologically abusing and castrating kids is wrong.

and in your country:
 
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How do you know that it's not because it's more socially accepted? Aren't you just handwaving that away because you find it incredulous?
because you have zero proof of that --it was a hypothesis you put forth.

should I start calling for "peer-reviewed studies" now?
 
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because you have zero proof of that --it was a hypothesis you put forth.

should I start calling for "peer-reviewed studies" now?
Sounds to me like our positions have about equal support.
 
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Some people might think that you, in particular, do need the Bible to tell you that accusing Larnivec of supporting a massive campaign to castrate children is wrong.
 
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more entryism
How about if I change it to "Some people might think the Bible tells them that accusing Larnivec of supporting a massive campaign to castrate children is wrong." Is that better?
 
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So.... you're just going to gloss over the fact that you accused people of not reading your studies when you only posted abstracts and didn't even read the studies yourself? You do know that there's more to research than just the abstracts, right?
1) I didn't read the studies. I read the abstracts. I apologize if that was unclear.
2) Why should I try to hunt down full research studies when they don't get engaged with? Let's start with the abstract and you tell me if there's a problem.
3) Honestly, a layperson's critique of statistical analysis is, kind of, the definition of dunning Kruger to me so I'm not really interested in that. I don't even feel comfortable with it and I at least have a uni level class under my belt at least.
 
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I have not baited anyone

you literally came into the conversation by saying

No, I came into the conversation making a crack about how Fox news was untrustworthy.


sex-change procedures on kids was OK because it was just like any other surgery to correct a "disorder"

I didn't say it was ok. What I did was ask you why it's not okay when we have surgeries to correct lots of other things.

which is an outrageous claim

Why is it an outrageous claim?

that is baiting, because you know full well others on the site are going to jump all over that. You will get people angry, and then go complain to the mods

It's not baiting. It's sincere questions used to explore and challenge your position. If you and/or others can't answer simple questions about your argument without getting hot and bothered, then maybe a pluralistic discussion board isn't for you. Maybe you would prefer more of a coddling echo chamber, like over at /r/conservative.

this is entryism

lol, no. Asking you about your position is treating you like an intelligent adult who formulate and articulate a coherent idea. It's the exact opposite of entryism - it's embracing your participation and assuming that you're capable of keeping up. This is no more a case of "entryism" than throwing a curveball to a designated hitter.
 
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I'll only address this topic in this one post cause I don't want to go off. I may engage further if there was another thread.

Peer review to me isn't an appeal to authority.
What you see as "appealing to authority" I see as "there are MORE experts who agree with this data is viable and suggests something....so you should view this DATA as more compelling".

Honestly, at this point, I would take almost any scientific research they present; so long as at LEAST the appearance of bias not present. Because what I see now are things like "Well logically....", or just things that are not correct.
 
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This thread is closed for review. As a reminder, the Statement of Purpose includes this and I am making one part bold:
Homosexuality, Same-Sex Marriage, Bisexuality and Transgenderism/Transexualism: Discussion of these topics must comply with the sitewide rule barring the promotion of homosexuality, same-sex marriage, bisexuality, and transgenderism/transexualism. Discussion and debate should only be directed toward political, legal, historical and civil rights issues, and should not be directed toward the morality of homosexuality, same-sex marriage, bisexuality or transgenderism/transexualism.
The 'child' in the OP is 18 years old which is a legal adult.



 
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