A Voice of Dissent in the Orthodox Church

[Picklenickels]

You have misunderstood my meaning. I am not calling anyone a heretic. The article advocates toleration of homosexuality, and THAT is heresy.

 

[Picklenickels]

Homosexuality is not a heresy... it is a sin...Now if it becomes an issue in the Church and faithful are "divided" about it...some agree with it that is NOT a sin that creates a "heresy" a division... And that is what I think the poinnt Maximillian is trying to make and is quite valid

Thank You, that is EXACTLY my point.

 

[ikonographics]

Heresy has to do with dogma, not ethics. Homosexuality is an ethical matter therefore a sin, not a heresy.

 

[Michael G]

Heresy has to do with dogma, not ethics. Homosexuality is an ethical matter therefore a sin, not a heresy.

Thank you!!!

 

[Michael G]

Michael:

Homosexuality is considered one of the gravest sins in the Bible. Holy Tradition condemns it as well. To advocate the toleration of such sin in the Church is to advocate the introduction of error, hence my use of the word. That being said, doesn't mean we should not use charity toward those who are in error to bring them into the light, but I think it is important that such an important issue be called what it is. To "water" it down leads to the same problems that some denominations are having today.......

Heresy has nothing to do with morals. Heresy is a direct contradiction of Orthodox Dogma. To call someone who is promulgating a pro-homosexual agenda a heretic shows a lack of understanding of the differences between dogma and morals.

 

[Michael G]

Julia, I am out of reps for the time being. I will rep you later.

 

[Picklenickels]

Unless...it causes strife and division and the falling away of the faithful. Then it is heresy.

 

[Picklenickels]

OK...let's look at it another way. EXAMPLE: "Joe Ortho" is trying to tell members of his Church that the Bible says it is OK to be a homosexual, and be a priest. He says that the Bible backs up his belief.

If teaching a false doctrine isn't heresy, then I cannot imagine what would be!

 

[Philothei]

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Homosexuality is an ethical matter therefore a sin, not a heresy.

Julia Homosexuality is not a heresy no one is advocating it is BUT when you have a movement within the Church advocating Homosexuality as a "norm" it creates division among the faithful and can be seen as a heretical teaching. Homosexuality is a practice of an immoral act a sin.. An organized group advocating "homosexuality" are not ONLY commiting themselves just a sin but advocate "heresy" wrong teaching of practicing a sin.... that is heresy -division in the church. Look up those heretics i.el who advocated "free morality" the church condemed them as heretics...why? cause they were preaching for a life style that was contrary to Chrisitian living..

anyone heard of Manicheanism? Condemmed for their immoral living? and many other heresies that advocated different than christian morals as "christian" were condemned. So it is not heresy to be a homosexual but to advocate that this life style is Okay....is promoting "heresy" among the Church.

Heretic is anyone who teaches contrary than what the church teaches.. Eveything has to do with dogma...as eveything spring from the incarnation which is the ultimate revelation of Chirst. So teaching people that homosexuality is okay ....is ultimately a heresy an diviation from teaching the truth about christian practice and living... To be a homosexual who struggles with this type of sin is just that a sinner who seeks repentance... no argument about that he is NOT a heretic...

 

[jckstraw72]

the belief that homosexuality is an appropriate lifestyle would indeed be heresy.

 

[Michael G]

Unless...it causes strife and division and the falling away of the faithful. Then it is heresy.

No, I am sorry, it is not. Division and strife are not heresy.

 

[Philothei]

The word "heresy" comes from the Greek αἵρεσις, hairesis (from αιρεομαι, haireomai, "choose"), which means either a choice of beliefs or a faction of dissident believers. It was given wide currency by Irenaeus of Lyons in his tract The Detection and Refutation of False Knowledge (commonly known by the title of the Latin translation, Contra Haereses (Against Heresies) to describe and discredit his opponents in the early Christian Church. He described his own position as orthodox (from ortho- "right" + doxa "glory" or "belief") and his position eventually evolved into the position of the early Christian Church.

Heresy is the 'opposition" to the Orhtodox spirit.. There is always strifle with heresy as it 'divides" the flock... It is biblical also when the Apostle talks about the stifle the discent of different brethren

many heretics were exommunicated due to preaching a life style against the Christian principles... That is not anything new....

Over the years, numerous Christian scholars and preachers have disagreed with the Church on various issues or doctrines. When the Church has become aware of these beliefs, they have been condemned as heretical. Historically, this often happened when the belief challenged, or was seen to challenge, Church authority, or drew a movement of followers who challenged the established order socially. For entirely secular reasons, some influential people have had an interest in maintaining the status quo or condemning a group they wished to be removed. The Church's internal explanations for its actions were based purely on objection to beliefs and philosophies that ran contrary to its interpretation of the Holy Scriptures and its official interpretation of Holy Tradition.

Very well said

 

[Philothei]

the belief that homosexuality is an appropriate lifestyle would indeed be heresy.

Sure it is since it goes against the teaching of the Church...


So what do you call a person who advocates a morally laxed lifestyle? a sinner? Advocating that this is an Orthodox life style?