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A very specific question for evolutionists.

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Talk about higher standard, creation cant even meet the standard of elementary school science. it fails at things like the solar system and photosynthesis.
Show me photosynthesis in progress on Day Three of the Creation.

How can it fail at photosynthesis, if photosynthesis doesn't even exist yet?

This post is an example of why I don't think Creationism should be taught in the public school system.
 
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Show me photosynthesis in progress on Day Three of the Creation.

Show me day three of the Creation, and then we'll talk photosynthesis.

Horse before the cart, AV, otherwise Creationism can take a hike.

This post is an example of why I don't think Creationism should be taught in the public school system.

Every post is an example of why Creationism shouldn't be taught at all.
 
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Actually the Spanish armada was defeated by Obama's Socialist hordes in Chinese junks! Just as Napoleon was defeated by Inuit land roving canoes manned by west African Pygmies!

You may find reference to the above in the following books: The History of cement and A concise study of common house dust in rural Tajikistan
 
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what about the sunken ships found? IIRC we've found wrecks from the battle.
 
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[serious];49365957 said:
what about the sunken ships found? IIRC we've found wrecks from the battle.
You'd have to show me that these sunken ships were taking part in a raid on England with the intent of invading and conquering England, as Wikipedia states. In addition, you'll have to show me that anything written down wasn't written after-the-fact, and that any document that was signed was indeed, signed by the person whose name appears on (or above) the writing.

(I hope you see where I'm going with this.)

Unless and until you do so --- science can't validate the defeat of the Spanish Armada --- let alone show that it ever existed.
 
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Yes! Now do the same with the Bible!
 
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Yes! Now do the same with the Bible!
I can't --- but I use the same thing in my approach as [serious] (and probably you) do in your approach to the Spanish Armada --- faith.

QV please.
 
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No, it's not, but your (and my) belief in it is.

The difference is that your faith in your religion is unwavering and unchanging; whereas my belief in science evolves with the new knowledge science constantly acquires. In science nothing is taken as fact! All that science does is use the contemporary knowledge to better understand and refute and or complement previous knowledge.
Frankly AV; Do you know the satisfaction a scientist feels even when he refutes his own theories? That is the beauty of science; the constant acquisition of knowledge!
"We grow old learning"!
 
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Frankly AV; Do you know the satisfaction a scientist feels even when he refutes his own theories?
I gotta admit --- I sure don't --- do you?
 
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you look for corroborating contemporary sources. treaties (there must be official documents ending the war), journals/diaries (multiple first-hand accounts of the event that date the same from soldiers, officials, or public), whatever forms of media existed at the time would also record this event. multiple, independant, contemporary sources.
 
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Show me photosynthesis in progress on Day Three of the Creation.

How can it fail at photosynthesis, if photosynthesis doesn't even exist yet?

This post is an example of why I don't think Creationism should be taught in the public school system.
oh im sorry, energy doesnt exist yet cause there's no 2nd law right?
like i said, biblical creation bears no resemblence at all to the universe or how it works. so dont blame us for thinking it's not the way it happened.

i put more faith in the work of God than the word. God's work passed through no human hand. There was no dictating, no typos, no errors, no editing. This universe around us is the direct hand of God.
 
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oh im sorry, energy doesnt exist yet cause there's no 2nd law right?
Wrong --- as I pointed out before --- contrary to the Big Expansion Model, Genesis 1 makes it clear that the amount of mass/energy in the universe started out at zero, then increased to its current level over a period of six days.

  • The First Law was instituted in Genesis 2, when God rested.
  • The Second Law was instituted in Genesis 3 (about a year later), when man Fell.
like i said, biblical creation bears no resemblence at all to the universe or how it works.
I've been saying that for years.
so dont blame us for thinking it's not the way it happened.
Yet after alienating yourselves from Genesis 1, you guys go on to say you don't know how it happened. In other words, I hear this:

  • I don't know how it happened, but it didn't happen the way Genesis 1 says it happened.
i put more faith in the work of God than the word.
I've been saying that for years as well, and my Mariana Trench thread confirms it.

It takes more faith to believe in Evolution than it does Creation.
God's work passed through no human hand.
Correct.
There was no dictating, no typos, no errors, no editing.
Incorrect --- God dictated (spake) the universe into existence, and in an order that pwns science and evolution.
This universe around us is the direct hand of God.
It is a universe whose sustenance was abandoned by God and is currently "rotting away" - (entropy). God still maintains a quantum [no pun intended] hold on the universe, according to Colossians 1, but when the time comes, He will release that hold and the universe will, according to Peter, "melt with fervent heat".
 
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It takes more faith to believe in Evolution than it does Creation.

Yet another example of how creationists cripple and demean their own "faith," in their zeal to demean a biological process most admit actually works.
 
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Yet another example of how creationists cripple and demean their own "faith," in their zeal to demean a biological process most admit actually works.


Well, crippling and demeaning their faith is a small -- practically inconsequential -- price to pay in order to promote themselves.
 
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You don't care. Gotcha. So it is obtuseness for obtuseness' sake then. The very fact the differences I outlined exist mean that, funnily enough, acceptance of science and faith based on historical accounts are two different things.

So let's see what we have. You expect every person (not even just the trained scientists) in the opposing camp to independently verify every fact they cite, all the while shrugging off the notion of evidence for your viewpoint ("because that's the way Goddidit!" TM). Oh, but entropy REALLY IS because of the fall!

When the facts are verified, you don't care then either. You just rubbish them or throw irrelevant, oft-pwned silliness at us like the Pluto/Thalidomide/Challenger trifecta - and yet you'd have us believe that mutant locusts are a result of nuclear fallout from an angelic battle and that Neptune keeps angels out of the solar system.

I think I'll be letting those two particular facts speak for themselves now.
 
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LOL --- I gotta admit, Cabal --- my blood started boiling when I read this, but by the time I finished reading the rest of your post, I almost fell out of my chair laughing. That trifecta part was good! Anyway, back to this ---

No, I do not expect everyone and their neighbor to run out to the Mariana Trench to verify it for themselves. That's not the way it works.

We ALL walk by faith --- that means we don't go around like people in a Chinese Fire Drill independently verifying each other's claims.

For the handful of persons who actually did the work themselves and measured the trench, they are the only ones who can actually say, "The Mariana Trench is 6.8 miles deep. I know - I've been there."

These men walked by sight.

Jesus disciples didn't have to put their faith in the Resurrection. They were there, they saw it, they documented it, they experienced the "infallible proofs". We weren't, and we therefore walk by faith in their documentation; which, as you know, the Bible confirms:
Romans 10:17 said:
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
 
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