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Nope --- NASA, for example, made some hefty changes in 1986.Do you see change as necessarily a bad thing?
Nope --- NASA, for example, made some hefty changes in 1986.
They even made changes in 1967 --- it took a real scientist (and three dead men) to figure out that a door should open inward --- not outward.
Nope --- NASA, for example, made some hefty changes in 1986.
They even made changes in 1967 --- it took a real scientist (and three dead men) to figure out that a door should open inward --- not outward.
Are you referring to the Apollo 1 training accident on Jan 27, 1967? This was not actually caused by the door opening inward (you have it backwards, as usual). It was because they were using a pure oxygen atmosphere under high pressure. It is likely that an electical spark started a fire which killed the crew in seconds due to the high pressure oxygen environment. The critisism concerning the door was that under high internal pressure, it was probably impossible to open the hatch from the inside since it opened inward.
As usual, you over-simplify everything. There were a number of safety concerns with the old Apollo 1 capsule design. After the accident, the following steps and design changes were implimented:
At launch the cabin atmosphere would be at sea-level pressure and consist of 60% oxygen and 40% nitrogen, lowering to 5 psi during ascent and gradually changing over to 100% oxygen at about 2 psi during the first 24 hours of the trans-lunar coast.
The hatch would open outward (which had already been planned) and be openable in less than ten seconds.
Flammable materials in the cabin were replaced with self-extinguishing versions.
Plumbing and wiring were covered with protective insulation.
1,407 wiring problems were corrected.
Nylon suits were replaced with suits made of early Beta cloth, a non-flammable, highly melt-resistant fabric woven from silica and coated with glass.
An explosive hatch was re-added (which had been removed after Mercury 4 when the hatch blew prematurely on Grissom's capsule and caused it to sink, irking NASA officials). The redesigned hatched used a cartridge of pressurised nitrogen to drive the release mechanism in an emergency, as opposed to the pyrotechnic bolts used on Mercury.
(wikipedia)
Thomas Aquinas was smart enough to realize that God can allow a small evil in order that a greater good can be accomplished somewhere down the line -- in this case, an accident leads to learning from a mistake which leads to a safer product which leads to all sorts of benefits from society (The Apollo program led to a whole slew of inventions most of us reap the benefits from every day).
Alas, AV -- who sees learning as an evil thing -- is no Thomas Aquinas.
True enough! However, the lack of concern for basic safety precautions and record keeping during the Apollo program at that point in time was appalling.
I asked first here.
I asked first here.
It depends.So good sir, I have answered your question to the best of my ability. Now you answer my question please.AV, is the faith you have in someones hear-say in regards to consumer prices equal to your faith in god?
It is black and white --- in my opinion.is faith black and white, or is it a spectrum?
Science changes --- God does not.
You put your faith in science, you change when science changes.
You put your faith in the Bible, you change when God changes.
Since God doesn't change, neither does our faith.
That ad hominem is cheaper by the dozen. They say I'm a YEC too, not to mention Omphalos, OEC, a liar, a deceiver, and everything else that's not in my profile --- big deal.as someone said above the fault of this logic is that you equate "the bible" with "god"
That's right --- the technical term is Verbal Plenary Inspiration, and here is one of the best definitions I've seen in a long time:It is your faith that the bible is infallible, that is the matter of debate* (at least for my part).
[/FONT][FONT=MS Reference Serif, Gill Sans MT, Trebuchet MS]"Verbal Plenary Inspiration" means "God the Holy Spirit so supernaturally directed the human writers of Scripture that, without waiving their intelligence, their individuality, their personal feelings, their literary style, or any other human factor of expression, His Complete and Coherent Message to mankind was recorded with perfect accuracy in the original languages of Scripture: the very words bearing the Authority of Divine Authorship."
A side thought: Wouldn't your rigid view of the bible make you miss the changes God make?
Malachi 3:6a said:For I am the LORD, I change not...
and if the bible commanded "all doors shall open outward" what advice should they heed? that of the new discovery or that of the bible?Nope --- NASA, for example, made some hefty changes in 1986.
They even made changes in 1967 --- it took a real scientist (and three dead men) to figure out that a door should open inward --- not outward.
First of all, very little in this universe is black-and white.It depends.
Let's simplify this and eliminate sales tax, etc. If I wanted a pound of coffee, and took just $3.98 down to the store, then yes --- that is akin to my faith in Jesus.
BUT --- if I took $5.00 down to the store, just in case it is not $3.98 a pound as I was told --- then no, it is not akin to my faith in Jesus. Whoever told me it was $3.98 a pound may just as well have kept their mouth shut.
It is black and white --- in my opinion.
So does this "Verbal Plenary Inspiration" not constitute faith that The Bible was not only inspired by God, but also constitutes a perfect reflection of His message? Is this not different from having faith that Jesus is Christ, or in the existance of God?As many times as I've described the Bible and God, I'm sure they know the difference. It's meant to be a flame, nothing else.That's right --- the technical term is Verbal Plenary Inspiration, and here is one of the best definitions I've seen in a long time:[/FONT]
That ad hominem is cheaper by the dozen. They say I'm a YEC too, not to mention Omphalos, OEC, a liar, a deceiver, and everything else that's not in my profile --- big deal.
As many times as I've described the Bible and God, I'm sure they know the difference. It's meant to be a flame, nothing else.That's right --- the technical term is Verbal Plenary Inspiration, and here is one of the best definitions I've seen in a long time:[/FONT]
that website said:"Verbal Plenary Inspiration" means "God the Holy Spirit so supernaturally directed the human writers of Scripture that, without waiving their intelligence, their individuality, their personal feelings, their literary style, or any other human factor of expression, His Complete and Coherent Message to mankind was recorded with perfect accuracy in the original languages of Scripture: the very words bearing the Authority of Divine Authorship." boldeh mine
Also note the mention of the "original languages of Scripture". So much for KJV supremacy. (Unless AV thinks an "original" can come later than first)Ok so it IS possible that the writers of the bible wrote in metaphors and such thenGlad we can agree on that. No more "genesis did actually happen" then, because it just reflects the authors style. I wins!!!
Eh, AV?
Trond
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