A very simple question.

[Beastt]

Many people are following what they desire and want. And it is extremely unfortunate. However, there are few out there that really do follow God and only God. For instance, there are things that my roommate and I are doing that we really do not desire to do at all. In fact, we keep telling God that we don't want to do it and he tells us to anyway. I was following a specific church and belief for a long time and stopped. I stopped following it because I didn't want to be following a system made by humans. I wanted to follow the divine, God himself.

Do you suppose these things God keeps telling you to do are anything like the thing God kept telling Dena Schlosser to do? She didn't want to but eventually she came to realize that if it was God's will, she should be happy to do as he asked. So when the authorities arrived I suppose it should be perfectly understandable that she would be sitting quietly with a smile on her face as her infant daughter was bleeding to death. You see, Dena Schlosser says that God told her to take a knife and cut the arms off of her baby girl as she was lying in her crib. Dena didn't want to but eventually sorted it all out in her mind. Who was she to know better than God?

And this, while vastly removed from your situation, illustrates the problem with such assumptions. It's sometimes easy for us to believe we want to do one thing, and then also believe that a god, (any god), wants us to do something else. All over the world there are people of different religions, subscribing to different gods, and proclaiming that their god wants them to do certain things. Quite often they would prefer not to do these things but just as with many Christians, they become convinced that their god, (one you don't believe exists), wants them to do certain things.

And while you must dismiss their claims as self-delusion, you make precisely the same claim and seem to expect that it will be taken as something other than what you would conclude of their claim. Do you see the problem there?

 

[automan]

I think you have lost them because you are using logic and common sense, where their religion is concerned you are in or you are out, there is no half measures, you either believe to the exclusion of all argument or you don't believe at all.

If you could find a book you could quote from, it seems (to them) the written word is the most powerful of all arguments and it should preferably be very old, (it somehow means more if it's old) in fact the older the better,
and try to bring a little magic into your arguments they respond very well to magic.
again the more magic the better.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you ask me where my passion lies, it's with the Evangelistic Evolutionists. I fear YEC are destroying science and we could end up in another dark age if they keep spouting their propaganda.

We creationists hold science to a higher standard than anyone on the planet --- and you bet we're headed for another dark age --- during the Tribulation when the greatest scientist that ever walked this planet (next to Jesus, of course) takes over.

Incidentally, he's a creationist also; but when his cohort fails to convince the atheists that he is the messiah, he's gonna pull one doosey of a trick out of his hat on them --- and it's gonna work.

 

[MarcusHill]

Both of my parents are not Christians and I chose what to believe on my own.

Can you honestly say that if you'd been in the same situation in India you wouldn't be a Hindu? Ditto for Pakistan and Muslim, Israel and Jew etc.

People feel these "revelations" or "inspirations" and interpret them in the light of their cultural background.

 

[AV1611VET]

Can you honestly say that if you'd been in the same situation in India you wouldn't be a Hindu? Ditto for Pakistan and Muslim, Israel and Jew etc.

People feel these "revelations" or "inspirations" and interpret them in the light of their cultural background.

If she did live in India, and did become a Hindu, it would be in spite of what God intended her to become, not in respect to it.

Her name is in the Lamb's Book of Life, not Brahma's.

 

[Psudopod]

I'll belive that when I see it, thankyou.

And are you implying that the devil is a scientist? Because I'd love to see examples of that!

 

[MarcusHill]

Her name is in the Lamb's Book of Life, not Brahma's.

So you're saying there is such a thing as Brahma's Book of Life? And I thought you were a good monotheist.

 

[AV1611VET]

So you're saying there is such a thing as Brahma's Book of Life? And I thought you were a good monotheist.

cute

 

[Garnett]

If she did live in India, and did become a Hindu, it would be in spite of what God intended her to become, not in respect to it.

And you know this because....

...thanks to a socio-geographic coincidence you just so happened to be bought up into the one true religion?

Has it ever occurred to you that that is what every other follower of every other religion probably believes too, and, more importantly, that you have nothing on which to base your conviction that your claims are any more valid than theirs?

 

[AV1611VET]

...you have nothing on which to base your conviction that your claims are any more valid than theirs?

Oh, yes I do:

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[Garnett]

Oh, yes I do:

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So we have you making claims about your bible, and others making claims about their Qur'an, their Rigveda, their Torah, and you can supply us with no explanation as to why you think your claims should be considered any more valid than theirs?

I remind you of that quote attributed to Stephen Roberts:

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”

When you understand how you can dismiss all other Gods perhaps we could get somewhere in this debate.

 

[AV1611VET]

So we have you making claims about your bible, and others making claims about their Qur'an, their Rigveda, their Torah, and you can supply us with no explanation as to why you think your claims should be considered any more valid than theirs?

Garnett,

I may I suggest you take a look at some of my past postings before you make a statement like this?

If you don't want to, that's fine.

I've handled this subject --- in depth.

Suffice it to say I have shown mathematically how the Bible is THE ONLY true Scriptures today.

And even though those I showed it to didn't agree with me - (which I didn't think they would) - I have nevertheless covered this more than once.

And don't wish to do it again right now.

 

[Garnett]

Garnett,

I may I suggest you take a look at some of my past postings before you make a statement like this?

If you don't want to, that's fine.

I've handled this subject --- in depth.

Suffice it to say I have shown mathematically how the Bible is THE ONLY true Scriptures today.

And even though those I showed it to didn't agree with me - (which I didn't think they would) - I have nevertheless covered this more than once.

And don't wish to do it again right now.

Repost this evidence please, or at least provide direct links – otherwise this thread will devolve into those countless other threads where Creationsits hint at, and infer there is evidence without ever providing it – see the countless "Has anyone read So-and-so ? He has some amazing proofs against evolution" threads that never get round to posting the actual proofs…

To ask me to trawl through your threads for you would be akin to me expecting you to read all the papers on the evidence of evolution. It would be nice, but it's not going to happen. Instead those who understand evolution come here and post links to, and summaries of, various pertinent papers in the hope that at least these will be digested.

Afford us the same courtesy, and also help keep this thread a self-contained argument by posting said mathematical proofs.

 

[AV1611VET]

Afford us the same courtesy, and also help keep this thread a self-contained argument by posting said mathematical proofs.

No thanks --- in light of remarks like this:

...and you can supply us with no explanation as to why you think your claims should be considered any more valid than theirs?

...I'll just let your fingers do the walking.

 

[timeout]

sj

 

[Jase]

Unless you happen to live on a planet which circles a star rather than one circled by a star; unless you live where plants require light for photosynthesis and warmth to keep the water in their cells from freezing. There are dozens of areas where science and Christianity are diametrically opposed. But to be fair, some Christians are well versed and quite knowledgeable about science. They simply have to suspend one belief or the other depending upon which one they're focused upon at the moment. The only other option (and this is one often taken), is to ignore what the Bible says and replace its words with your own.

There is a large group of us called Theistic evolutionists who recognize that Genesis is not meant to be taken entirely literally.

 

[Pesto]

I've handled this subject --- in depth.

Suffice it to say I have shown mathematically how the Bible is THE ONLY true Scriptures today.

How is that even possible?

 

[Garnett]

Afford us the same courtesy, and also help keep this thread a self-contained argument by posting said mathematical proofs.

No thanks --- in light of remarks like this:

...and you can supply us with no explanation as to why you think your claims should be considered any more valid than theirs?

...I'll just let your fingers do the walking.

Does anyone else read this as:

Garnett: Give us some evidence to support your claims.

A1611VET: I'm not going to because you said: "You can't give us any evidence to support your claims."



Only a creationist could miss the logic gaps in this sort of argument!

 

[flatworm]

How is that even possible?

Just remember this is the same guy who claims the KJV must be divinely inspired because it's word-for-word identical to other versions of the Bible written in entirely different languages.

 

[thaumaturgy]

Garnett,

I may I suggest you take a look at some of my past postings before you make a statement like this?

If you don't want to, that's fine.

I've handled this subject --- in depth.

Suffice it to say I have shown mathematically how the Bible is THE ONLY true Scriptures today.

And even though those I showed it to didn't agree with me - (which I didn't think they would) - I have nevertheless covered this more than once.

And don't wish to do it again right now.

The single most important mathematical proof imaginable and we can't have the LINK???

God would be so proud. I'm sure he's in heaven just marking up all sortsa gold stars by your name in the Lamb's Book of Life!


Praise his Holy Name!