A very important study to understand

[k4c]

Part one of two

I pray that you take some time and carefully read this next study I just put together for you. We truly have to let the Bible speak for itself when studying things that pertain to true worship of the one true God.

I have done many, many hours of study and prayer on the topic of the Sabbath, in the same way, I’ve done many, many hours of study on the false Trinity God. These are two major distortions that came from the beast kingdom, which, according to Bible prophecy, is Papal Rome.

In the year 325AD, at the council of Nicaea, Papal Rome began to establish the eternally begotten Son of God making Him co-eternal and co-equal with the one true God. This brought much persecution among Bible believing Christians. At the council of Laodicea in 364AD another distortion was pronounced, which also brought much persecution towards believers : Council of Laodicea "Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, the Sabbath, but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day (Sunday) they shall especially honor, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ." ---Canon 29, Council of Laodicea, 364 C.E.

There is nothing in the Bible that calls the Lord’s day Sunday but there is much in the Bible that calls the Lord’s day, the seventh day, the Sabbath of the Lord.

Papal Rome has made this change with no authority from the Bible thus fulfilling the prophecy in Daniel of the beast changing God’s law and God’s time.

The following is taken right from the Catholic Catechism, which they use to teach their followers.

“Question - Which is the Sabbath day?
“Answer - Saturday is the Sabbath day.
“Question - Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
“Answer - We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.

The battle in the spiritual realm is over worship. Satan has distorted much of what God calls holy and created to bring glory to Him. Listen to what Satan has in his mind to do.

Isaiah 14:12-14 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, you who weakened the nations! For you have said in your heart: `I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation on the farthest sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.'

Satan has established his own religion. He has distorted much of what God has called holy and made it seem very religious. Listen to who gives the beast kingdom, Papal Rome, its power, authority and throne.

Revelation 13:2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority.

Satan has distorted the first four commandments because it's in these four commandments that bring full glory to God and God alone. Man can receive glory when man keeps the last six but God alone receives all the glory when we understand and keep the first four and Satan hates when God receives glory.

The seventh day Sabbath is a literal day that brings glory to God. It‘s not a spiritual day, but rather, a literal day in that everyone in our entire household including sons, daughters, servants, cattle and even the stranger must remember the Sabbath to keep it holy. We are called to remember this day, not forget it or do away with it.

Exodus 20:8-11 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Now to answer the big question regarding the seventh day Sabbath of the fourth commandment being part of the equation of new moons, sabbaths and festivals.

Like I said, I’ve done many hours of study on this topic. This is something you may need to do as well.

In my studies I have found that the seventh day Sabbath is not part of the equation of new moons. sabbath and festivals, it’s a totally separate day. You too will see this in your studies, you need to just let the Bible speak for itself and understand the spiritual battle over true worship.

The first thing you will find in your studies is that there are many so called, sabbaths, mentioned in the Old Testament. The new moons, sabbaths and festivals are shadows that picture the life and work of Christ through the sacrificial system of burnt offerings, drink offerings, food offerings and ceremonial washings, which has to do with sin, the seventh day Sabbath is not, God makes this very clear.

Listen to Leviticus in how God makes a distinction between the seventh day Sabbath of God, which is the fourth commandment, and all the other sabbaths of the sacrificial system mentioned throughout the Old Testament. Very important to keep in mind the drink and food offerings being made on these other sabbaths, as well as, the burnt offerings.

Leviticus 23:1-25 The Lord spoke again to Moses, saying, "Speak to the sons of Israel, and say to them, `The Lord's appointed times which you shall proclaim as holy convocations My appointed times are these: `For six days work may be done; but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a sabbath to the Lord in all your dwellings. `These are the appointed times of the Lord, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at the times appointed for them. `In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight is the Lord's Passover. `Then on the fifteenth day of the same month there is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. `On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work. `But for seven days you shall present an offering by fire to the Lord. On the seventh day is a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work.'" Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, "Speak to the sons of Israel, and say to them, `When you enter the land which I am going to give to you and reap its harvest, then you shall bring in the sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest to the priest. `And he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord for you to be accepted; on the day after the sabbath the priest shall wave it. `Now on the day when you wave the sheaf, you shall offer a male lamb one year old without defect for a burnt offering to the Lord. `Its grain offering shall then be two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil, an offering by fire to the Lord for a soothing aroma, with its libation, a fourth of a hin of wine. `Until this same day, until you have brought in the offering of your God, you shall eat neither bread nor roasted grain nor new growth. It is to be a perpetual statute throughout your generations in all your dwelling places. `You shall also count for yourselves from the day after the sabbath, from the day when you brought in the sheaf of the wave offering; there shall be seven complete sabbaths. `You shall count fifty days to the day after the seventh sabbath; then you shall present a new grain offering to the Lord. `You shall bring in from your dwelling places two loaves of bread for a wave offering, made of two-tenths of an ephah; they shall be of a fine flour, baked with leaven as first fruits to the Lord. `Along with the bread, you shall present seven one year old male lambs without defect, and a bull of the herd, and two rams; they are to be a burnt offering to the Lord, with their grain offering and their libations, an offering by fire of a soothing aroma to the Lord. `You shall also offer one male goat for a sin offering and two male lambs one year old for a sacrifice of peace offerings. `The priest shall then wave them with the bread of the first fruits for a wave offering with two lambs before the Lord; they are to be holy to the Lord for the priest. `On this same day you shall make a proclamation as well; you are to have a holy convocation. You shall do no laborious work. It is to be a perpetual statute in all your dwelling places throughout your generations. `When you reap the harvest of your land, moreover, you shall not reap to the very corners of your field, nor gather the gleaning of your harvest; you are to leave them for the needy and the alien. I am the Lord your God.'" Again the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, "Speak to the sons of Israel, saying, `In the seventh month on the first of the month, you shall have a rest, a reminder by blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation. `You shall not do any laborious work, but you shall present an offering by fire to the Lord.'"

Did you notice how in the very beginning of these verses the seventh day Sabbath of God is separate from all the other sabbaths?

Listen to how another translation puts it. You will see it much clearer.

Leviticus 23:1-5 The Lord said to Moses, ``Announce to the people of Israel that they are to celebrate several annual festivals of the Lord--times when all Israel will assemble and worship me. (These are in addition to your Sabbaths --the seventh day of every week--which are always days of rest in every home, times for assembling to worship, and for resting from the normal business of the week.) These are the holy festivals which are to be observed each year: “The Passover of the Lord: This is to be celebrated on the first day of April, beginning at sundown...

 

[k4c]

Part two of two

All the other sabbaths have to do with burnt offerings and sacrifice for sin, not so with the seventh day Sabbath. As a matter of fact, they were commanded not to kindle any fires on the seventh day Sabbath, which would eliminate any burnt offerings.

Exodus 35:1-3 Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, "These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: "Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. "You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.''

God claims ownership of the seventh day Sabbath of the fourth commandment by calling it throughout the Old Testament, the Sabbath of God, the Sabbath of the Lord your God, My holy day and My Sabbath.

Exodus 20:8-11 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Exodus 31:12-18 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, "Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: `Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. `You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. ‘Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. `Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. `It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.' ''And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Isaiah 58:13-14 "If because of the Sabbath, you turn your foot From doing your own pleasure on My holy day, And call the Sabbath a delight, the holy day of the Lord honorable, And shall honor it, desisting from your own ways, From seeking your own pleasure, And speaking your own word, Then you will take delight in the Lord, And I will make you ride on the heights of the earth; And I will feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father, For the mouth of the Lord has spoken."

The other sabbaths are call their sabbaths, her sabbaths or your sabbaths.

Hosea 2:9-11"Therefore I will return and take away my grain in its time and My new wine in its season, and will take back My wool and My linen, given to cover her nakedness. Now I will uncover her lewdness in the sight of her lovers, and no one shall deliver her from My hand. I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her New Moons, her sabbaths all her appointed feasts.

Isaiah 1:11-14 "To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to Me?'' says the Lord. "I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of fed cattle. I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs or goats. "When you come to appear before Me, who has required this from your hand, to trample My courts? Bring no more futile sacrifices; incense is an abomination to Me. The New Moons, the Sabbaths, and the calling of assemblies I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred meeting. Your New Moons and your appointed feasts my soul hates; they are a trouble to Me, I am weary of bearing them.

The seventh day Sabbath belongs to God, it brings glory to Him as the one true God and Creator. All the other sabbaths, which are incorporated with the new moons and festivals are part of the sacrificial system, which are the shadows that point to the life and work of Christ.

1 Chronicles 23:31 And to offer all burnt sacrifices unto the Lord in the sabbaths, in the new moons, and on the set feasts, by number, according to the order commanded unto them, continually before the Lord:

2 Chronicles 2:4 Behold, I am building a temple for the name of the Lord my God, to dedicate it to Him, to burn before Him sweet incense, for the continual showbread, for the burnt offerings morning and evening, on the Sabbaths, on the New Moons, and on the set feasts of the Lord our God. This is an ordinance forever to Israel.

2 Chronicles 8:1-2 Then Solomon offered burnt offerings to the Lord on the altar of the Lord which he had built before the vestibule, according to the daily rate, offering according to the commandment of Moses, for the Sabbaths, the New Moons, and the three appointed yearly feasts the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the Feast of Weeks, and the Feast of Tabernacles.

2 Chronicles 31:3 The king also appointed a portion of his possessions for the burnt offerings: for the morning and evening burnt offerings, the burnt offerings for the sabbaths and the New Moons and the set feasts, as it is written in the Law of the Lord.

Ezekiel 45:17-20 "Then it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the feasts, the New Moons, the Sabbaths, and at all the appointed seasons of the house of Israel. He shall prepare the sin offering, the grain offering, the burnt offering, and the peace offerings to make atonement for the house of Israel.'' Thus says the Lord God: "In the first month, on the first day of the month, you shall take a young bull without blemish and cleanse the sanctuary. "The priest shall take some of the blood of the sin offering and put it on the doorposts of the temple, on the four corners of the ledge of the altar, and on the gateposts of the gate of the inner court. “And so you shall do on the seventh day of the month for everyone who has sinned unintentionally or in ignorance. Thus you shall make atonement for the temple.

All the burnt offerings, food and drink offerings and sacrifices pertaining to the new moons, sabbaths and festivals are the ordinances having to do with the sin sacrifice, which are shadows that point to Christ. But since Christ has come we are now complete in Him and there is no longer a need for the many ceremonial washings, burnt offerings, food and drink offerings, which were done on these new moons, sabbaths and festivals for all these things were shadows, which pointed to the many facets of Christ’s life and sacrificial death.

Now read Colossians again with all this in mind and you will understand now the new moons, sabbaths, festivals, food and drink offerings have nothing to do with the seventh day Sabbath of fourth commandment, but rather, they were given to help us understand the work of Christ as the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.

Colossians 2:9-17 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power. In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it. Therefore let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

So you see, the seventh day Sabbath of the fourth commandment is different and distinct from the Sabbaths of the new moons and festivals. The Sabbath of the fourth commandment is the Lord’s day of which Jesus is Lord of. It’s the day that Jesus asked His disciples to pray that they would not have to flee on it forty years after Jesus’ resurrection. it’s the day both Jesus and Paul remembered as it was their custom. it’s the same day that caused the Gentiles to beg Paul to teach them again on. It’s the same day that Paul gathered with the church at Corinth every Sabbath for a year and a half before leaving for his next journey. It’s the same day that Jesus said it’s okay to do good on. It’s the same day that we who love God remember to keep holy as a witness to all the world.

 

[ricker]

Part two of two

All the other sabbaths have to do with burnt offerings and sacrifice for sin, not so with the seventh day Sabbath. As a matter of fact, they were commanded not to kindle any fires on the seventh day Sabbath, which would eliminate any burnt offerings.

Exodus 35:1-3 Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, "These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: "Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. "You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.''

God claims ownership of the seventh day Sabbath of the fourth commandment by calling it throughout the Old Testament, the Sabbath of God, the Sabbath of the Lord your God, My holy day and My Sabbath.

Exodus 20:8-11 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Exodus 31:12-18 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, "Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: `Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. `You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. ‘Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. `Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. `It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.' ''And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Isaiah 58:13-14 "If because of the Sabbath, you turn your foot From doing your own pleasure on My holy day, And call the Sabbath a delight, the holy day of the Lord honorable, And shall honor it, desisting from your own ways, From seeking your own pleasure, And speaking your own word, Then you will take delight in the Lord, And I will make you ride on the heights of the earth; And I will feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father, For the mouth of the Lord has spoken."

The other sabbaths are call their sabbaths, her sabbaths or your sabbaths.

Hosea 2:9-11"Therefore I will return and take away my grain in its time and My new wine in its season, and will take back My wool and My linen, given to cover her nakedness. Now I will uncover her lewdness in the sight of her lovers, and no one shall deliver her from My hand. I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her New Moons, her sabbaths all her appointed feasts.

Isaiah 1:11-14 "To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to Me?'' says the Lord. "I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of fed cattle. I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs or goats. "When you come to appear before Me, who has required this from your hand, to trample My courts? Bring no more futile sacrifices; incense is an abomination to Me. The New Moons, the Sabbaths, and the calling of assemblies I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred meeting. Your New Moons and your appointed feasts my soul hates; they are a trouble to Me, I am weary of bearing them.

The seventh day Sabbath belongs to God, it brings glory to Him as the one true God and Creator. All the other sabbaths, which are incorporated with the new moons and festivals are part of the sacrificial system, which are the shadows that point to the life and work of Christ.

1 Chronicles 23:31 And to offer all burnt sacrifices unto the Lord in the sabbaths, in the new moons, and on the set feasts, by number, according to the order commanded unto them, continually before the Lord:

2 Chronicles 2:4 Behold, I am building a temple for the name of the Lord my God, to dedicate it to Him, to burn before Him sweet incense, for the continual showbread, for the burnt offerings morning and evening, on the Sabbaths, on the New Moons, and on the set feasts of the Lord our God. This is an ordinance forever to Israel.

2 Chronicles 8:1-2 Then Solomon offered burnt offerings to the Lord on the altar of the Lord which he had built before the vestibule, according to the daily rate, offering according to the commandment of Moses, for the Sabbaths, the New Moons, and the three appointed yearly feasts the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the Feast of Weeks, and the Feast of Tabernacles.

2 Chronicles 31:3 The king also appointed a portion of his possessions for the burnt offerings: for the morning and evening burnt offerings, the burnt offerings for the sabbaths and the New Moons and the set feasts, as it is written in the Law of the Lord.

Ezekiel 45:17-20 "Then it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the feasts, the New Moons, the Sabbaths, and at all the appointed seasons of the house of Israel. He shall prepare the sin offering, the grain offering, the burnt offering, and the peace offerings to make atonement for the house of Israel.'' Thus says the Lord God: "In the first month, on the first day of the month, you shall take a young bull without blemish and cleanse the sanctuary. "The priest shall take some of the blood of the sin offering and put it on the doorposts of the temple, on the four corners of the ledge of the altar, and on the gateposts of the gate of the inner court. “And so you shall do on the seventh day of the month for everyone who has sinned unintentionally or in ignorance. Thus you shall make atonement for the temple.

All the burnt offerings, food and drink offerings and sacrifices pertaining to the new moons, sabbaths and festivals are the ordinances having to do with the sin sacrifice, which are shadows that point to Christ. But since Christ has come we are now complete in Him and there is no longer a need for the many ceremonial washings, burnt offerings, food and drink offerings, which were done on these new moons, sabbaths and festivals for all these things were shadows, which pointed to the many facets of Christ’s life and sacrificial death.

Now read Colossians again with all this in mind and you will understand now the new moons, sabbaths, festivals, food and drink offerings have nothing to do with the seventh day Sabbath of fourth commandment, but rather, they were given to help us understand the work of Christ as the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.

Colossians 2:9-17 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power. In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it. Therefore let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

So you see, the seventh day Sabbath of the fourth commandment is different and distinct from the Sabbaths of the new moons and festivals. The Sabbath of the fourth commandment is the Lord’s day of which Jesus is Lord of. It’s the day that Jesus asked His disciples to pray that they would not have to flee on it forty years after Jesus’ resurrection. it’s the day both Jesus and Paul remembered as it was their custom. it’s the same day that caused the Gentiles to beg Paul to teach them again on. It’s the same day that Paul gathered with the church at Corinth every Sabbath for a year and a half before leaving for his next journey. It’s the same day that Jesus said it’s okay to do good on. It’s the same day that we who love God remember to keep holy as a witness to all the world.

Hey all! Can trads come in here and copy and paste a bunch of threads like this? Just wondering...........

 

[VictorC]

I pray that you take some time and carefully read this next study I just put together for you. We truly have to let the Bible speak for itself when studying things that pertain to true worship of the one true God.

I have done many, many hours of study and prayer on the topic of the Sabbath, in the same way, I’ve done many, many hours of study on the false Trinity God. These are two major distortions that came from the beast kingdom, which, according to Bible prophecy, is Papal Rome.

A false trinitarian view of the Godhead? Are you reverting to the Arian view that Ellen White held to during the majority of her "I saw" experiences?

And, are you referring to Daniel 7 when you make a mention of the beast powers?
Papal Rome isn't to be found in there.

You see, I too have studied from another paradigm in order to escape the common view that there is to be a "revived Roman empire" in the last days.
Daniel 7:17 indentifies the beasts:
These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
All of these kingdoms are to arise, indicated by the Aramaic verb quwm, which is usually future tense and can also be present - but never past-tense.
Daniel 7:1 times this vision in the reign of the final king of Babyon, and Babylon is close to falling, not rising.

Daniel 7:7 uses the Aramaic preposition qodam to imply the previous kingdoms stand in the presence of the fourth kingdom, meaning that they all exist at the same time at the end of Daniel's succession.

The bottom line is that the lion of Daniel 7 didn't represent Babylon, and this chapter isn't a parallel to Daniel 2.

And that concludes that the model that asserts that the fourth beast is Rome is living in the errors contrived a century ago.

No, I think you have merely accepted someone else's model of eschatology, rather than perform your own study. The foundation is in error, and the items erected on that foundation can only also be in error.

Victor

 

[StormyOne]

long posts make my eyes glaze over.... additionally it seems like most things should be able to be explained concisely, and if not, alarms go off.....

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

Hey all! Can trads come in here and copy and paste a bunch of threads like this? Just wondering...........

I would think so. the prohibition of copying from the TSDA forum to here always seemed foolish. I guess we need an official ruling from the moderation staff however. As K4c has posted the same thread over in the TA forum with an additional post reflecting his anti-trinitarian views (which is apparently A-OK over there even though it violates their FSG's, apparently there is some sort of un known exception over there for violations or more likely hypocrisy). Which if the previous no copying rule applies we can't even post what he said there even though otherwise the thread is the same. I never liked the we must protect the loudest whiner rules.

 

[DeanM]

MOD HAT POST~

This is a dulpicate thread from Trad D+D area, and does not need to be listed in multiple forums.

Given the greater amount of responses in D+D, I'm closing this thread.