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sure if you didn't want to do your own homework. But I have been doing this along time, I told you.
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Seems like we could save some time and see how this post was responded to in 2014!
Creationists: What are the reasons general acceptance of deep time and evolution
Why is it so scary to think of humans as great apes? Just curious why this is so very, very scary to some people.
sure if you didn't want to do your own homework. But I have been doing this along time, I told you.
just unscientific really.
If one simply ignores the data, or as a lay person simply "dismisses it" out of hand then by definition everyone is avoiding his question. Isn't this Creationist Debate Camp 101?
you will have to prove with peer review preferably why men are apes
This is basic taxonomy. We're classified as part of the family Hominidae which is colloquially known as the "great apes". It includes humans, chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans.
You don't need some peer review journal paper for this. Even a basic high school biology textbook should cover it.
Do you know what "above the species level" means? It means when one a new species is formed. That means that the two groups can no longer interbreed. Your first link does not work, but your second one does:you will have to prove with peer review preferably why men are apes, but ultimately there will need to be a link between two genra, which you have not provided.
the generic sites usually will say "at or above the level of species," but the more technical sites like UC Berkley say "above the level of species".
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/VIADefinition.shtml
"Macroevolution generally refers to evolution above the species level"
also indiana university:
http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/pap.macroevolution.pdf
also some institutes of Biological Sciences:
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national evolution sythesis center:
NESCent: NABT: Macroevolution: Evolution Above the Species Level
2006 Annual Meeting of the National Association of Biology Teachers -- Albuquerque, NM
This year's theme: "Macroevolution: Evolution above the Species Level"
3rd Annual AIBS, BSCS, NESCent Evolution Science and Education Symposium
3rd Annual AIBS, BSCS, NESCent Evolution Science and Education Symposium
Douglas Futuyma defines it: “the origin and diversification of higher taxa.”
Douglas Futuyma, Evolutionary Biology, pg. 447, glossary (Sinaeur, 1998).
“Evolutionary change on a grand scale, encompassing [among other things] the origin of novel designs…” (Campbell’s, Biology, 4th ed.)
A Peer review article also coincides:"The term macroevolution was introduced by Iurii Filipchenko, a Russian geneticist and developmental biologist and mentor of Theodosius Dobzhansky. Filipchenko distinguished between Mendelian inheritance within species and non-Mendelian, cytoplasmic inheritance responsible for the formation of taxa above the species level."
Erwin, D. H. (2000), Macroevolution is more than repeated rounds of microevolution. Evolution & Development, 2: 78–84. doi: 10.1046/j.1525-142x.2000.00045.x
Article found online here:
Macroevolution is more than repeated rounds of microevolution
although I typically think wikipedia is error prone, here is a link that shows that the journal is peer reviewed:
Evolution & Development - Wikipedia
these are common misconceptions. Neanderthal had a human like cheek bone, and not an ape like shovel face.
Please, when you have not done your homework you should never accuse others of not doing theirs.sure if you didn't want to do your own homework. But I have been doing this along time, I told you.
I already did my homework and found your post from 3 years ago where this same suite of topics was completed. (Sorry if my efficiency bothers you).
I'm not really impressed with your 10-12 years of work on this topic, as I said, I've been discussing YEC and Creation and evolution for about 30+ years.
PLUS I'm a professional researcher, so doing my homework is kinda my thing.
Please, when you have not done your homework you should never accuse others of not doing theirs.
Do you know what "above the species level" means? It means when one a new species is formed. That means that the two groups can no longer interbreed. Your first link does not work, but your second one does:
"Speciation is a key concept in macroevolution, in which the generation of new species and loss of species are major areas of study."
Second it has been well known for ages that men are apes. Men belong to the family of hominidae. That is the family of great apes. Some light reading for you:
Hominidae - Wikipedia
Hominidae | primate family
Hominidae - New World Encyclopedia
https://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/hominidae.htm
This change has come in our lifetime. The reason for the change was due to advancement in the theory of evolution and of course DNA. Since we are more closely related to chimps and they to us, than either of us are to gorillas, as shown by DNA, it only makes sense that if chimps and gorillas are great apes, then we must be great apes too.
Perhaps you don't know how evolution works. Many creationists think that there is a "change of kind" in evolution. There never is. All of your descendants will be humans, no matter how much they evolve. And since one of your ancient ancestors was an ape you are an ape, no matter how much you may have changed from that ancestor.
By the way, this is not the sort of information that one finds in a single "peer reviewed article". You do not seem to understand that either. Peer review goes over simple single points of evidence usually. Not large changes in definitions of families.
see my last post, i already refuted this.Here's the tree that I found:
The Hominidae are the "Great Apes", colloquially. Genus Homo, on the bottom left, that's us. We're the "Great Ape" family, so that makes us Great Apes.
EDIT: Apparently, Pan should be linked under Hominini, not Gorillini. That makes both Pan and Homo Hominini
No, you didn't . You provided articles. None of those were "peer review". You do not seem to understand that concept.I provided you a peer review of my definition of macro evolution. Which remains unrefuted. You just changed the subject after being defeated and started posting on other peoples conversations to get out of the oven. if you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen. My mom always said.
Nope.see my last post, i already refuted this.
hominidae is not taxonomy, and has been updated by biased evolutionists. Like the term quote mine, it too is added to aid in debate but has no official scientific backing. If so please provide peer review.
see my last post, i just refuted thisNope.
Why do you keep making such obvious and false claims?
Wrong again, but then what else is new?
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