A Third Temple Is A Slap Across Christ's Face.....

To the OP yes i believe with you it is an insult to the Holy Spirit of Christ to build yet any other temple than the one He Himself is building!

Mar.14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

1Cor3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

The Kingdom of God has been and is being established now.
Within the temple He is building in the earth.
He is the second Adam.

Luk17:21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

I have died with Christ
and have been resurrected with Him
the Second death has no power over me.

Eph2:6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus:

Christ has made all things new!

Hi Truth files,

Perhaps I can clear this up for you. The temple will not be built by Christians. Yes, Christians have no need of a future temple. The temple will be built by the Jews who, sadly, have still not accepted Jesus' sacrifice for their sin. Therefore, unbelieving Jews are confident that they still need a temple to fulfill what God has commanded of them in the OT. The only interest that Christians have in the rebuilt temple is that it is believed to be the place where the final antichrist will take his stand. It is believed by many Christians, evangelical or not, that the Jews will build a new temple, hence the present day fight over the land surrounding the Dome of the Rock, between Jews and muslims.

The unbelieving Jews are still expecting the Messiah to come, but only after they have been able to rebuild a temple. Thus, they seek to rebuild a temple. The Christians look to the rebuilt temple not as any place to offer sacrifice, as the final sacrifice has already been made, but rather as a fulfillment of OT prophecy that a new temple will be built and it will be upon the wing of that temple where the final antichrist will make has stand against God and His people.

I have read accounts that there are actually already prepared in Israel, all of the accoutrements necessary for the rebuilt temple. All of the gold and bronze instruments necessary for temple worship have already been made and are prepared for their place in the new temple. I have not, myself, verified any of this but several apocolyptic writers have written about it. One such author that comes to mind is Grant Jeffrey and I believe Perry Stone has also made mention of it.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

LastSeven said:

In heaven. Look at the sixth seal. It is the resurrection of the martyrs. These stand before the throne of God and they will reign with Jesus for a thousand years.

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The six seal does not mention the resurrection of the martyrs. Rev. 20 tells us when.

Again, I remind you to look at Acts 3:21 and 2 Timothy 4:8. Both these passages clearly tell us that Jesus returns to earth after the millennium, so how then can He be on earth?

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Lets examine Acts 3:21 and 2 Tim. 4:8.

Acts 3:19-21
18"But the things which (AB)God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, (AC)that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19"Therefore (AD)repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that (AE)times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;
20and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you,
21(AF)whom heaven must receive until the period of (AG)restoration of all things about which (AH)God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.

22"Moses said, '(AI)THE LORD GOD WILL RAISE UP FOR YOU A PROPHET LIKE ME FROM YOUR BRETHREN; TO HIM YOU SHALL GIVE HEED to everything He says to you.
23'(AJ)And it will be that every (AK)soul that does not heed that prophet (AL)shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.'
24"And likewise, (AM)all the prophets who have spoken, from Samuel and his successors onward, also announced these days.
25"It is you who are (AN)the sons of the prophets and of the (AO)covenant which God made with your fathers, saying to Abraham, '(AP)AND IN YOUR SEED ALL THE FAMILIES OF THE EARTH SHALL BE BLESSED.'
26"For you (AQ)first, God (AR)raised up His Servant and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways."


The period of restoration refers to the tribulation not the 1000 year reign. The restoration spoken here by Peter is closely tied to Moses message in Deut. 18:15-19. The message speaks of God raising a prophet (Jesus) to whom all will heed. The Jews anticipated the messiah to established and earthly kingdom and the early Christians also anticipated the messiah to establish an earthly kingdom upon His return. During the tribulation the Jews will repent (vs. 19), unbelievers will be effectively removed (Matt. 25), and the earth's landscape will be changed (this makes it possible the construction of such an enormous temple as described by Ezekiel).






2 Tim. 4:8
8in the future there (T)is laid up for me (U)the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on (V)that day; and not only to me, but also to (W)all who have loved His (X)appearing.

Here is verse 1
1(A)I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to (B)judge the living and the dead, and by His (C)appearing and His kingdom:

Even here Paul speaks of Jesus kingdom and "that day" which corresponds to the day of judgment of the believer (Matt. 25) and the first resurrection (Rev. 20:1-6). There is nothing in the text of 2 Tim. 4:8 that would warrant a belief that Christ returns to earth after the millennium.

Here is a link to a site that explains some of what has already been done to prepare for the rebuilding of the Jewish temple: 'Temple in Waiting' Prepared in Jerusalem - Christian World News - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com
and another: http://www.thepropheticyears.com/reasons/Jews.htm

JohnRabbit said:

when will Jesus set up the Kingdom of God?

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It began at his resurrection and it continues on through today, it'll be finalized at Christ's return and the resurrection of the dead.

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how long shall we reign on earth?

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Christ has been reigning since his resurrection, the church is free to spread the good news that is the hope of the restoration of the whole of creation—the entire cosmos.

miamited said:

Here is a link to a site that explains some of what has already been done to prepare for the rebuilding of the Jewish temple: 'Temple in Waiting' Prepared in Jerusalem - Christian World News - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com
and another: Israel the third temple and the coming Jewish holocaust

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It would be a huge assumption to think God would allow such an abomination to be built.

If Justin Martyr can handle a third temple among ECFs once removed from the Apostles -- I've no serious objection to it.

Hi SF,

You responded to my post:
It would be a huge assumption to think God would allow such an abomination to be built.

That statement doesn't follow the thread. The OP asked why christians would be concerned that a new temple is to be built or is expected to be built. God allows sinners to live, I think that God has already given ample evidence that He is merciful enough to allow many abominations to exist until the time of judgment. There are murderers in every city and nation of the world. I honestly can't think of any abomination before God that would be more serious than one of us kill that which He has created and yet God allows murderers to continue to live.

There are people worshiping false gods and I'm confident that there is nothing more abominable to God than for those He created to give glory to another, and yet, God allows them to live. God allows many abominations to exist in this realm until the day of judgment. At that time, all those who have done abominable things and not accepted and agreed with His plan of mercy and forgiveness, will be called to account. Until that time, I think the Scriptures are clear that God, according to Peter, is being merciful and allowing many abominations to go unchallenged. Read the first chapter of Romans if you'd like a real feel for all the abominations that God is allowing to exist in this realm of creation until the judgment.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

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The six seal does not mention the resurrection of the martyrs. Rev. 20 tells us when.

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I respectfully disagree. Revelation 20 tells us that the martyrs are resurrected at the start of the millennium. The fifth seal shows the martyrs asking to be avenged. The sixth seal signifies the start of the millennium and the resurrection of the martyrs.

Hentenza said:

Lets examine Acts 3:21 and 2 Tim. 4:8.
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The period of restoration refers to the tribulation not the 1000 year reign.

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Based on what? Your reasoning baffles me. Moses' message about a Messiah does not say anything about when he would return to Earth.

Revelation 21 describes the new heaven and the new earth and the new Jerusalem. It doesn't get any clearer than that. If this does not describe the restoration of all things then I don't know what does.

Your Moses piece says nothing about timing, only that Jesus would come to save the world. Acts 3:21 gives us a clear indication of the timing of his return. For the life of me I can't see where you get the idea that Acts 3:21 refers to the time before the millennium.

Hentenza said:

2 Tim. 4:8
8 Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.

Even here Paul speaks of Jesus kingdom and "that day" which corresponds to the day of judgment of the believer (Matt. 25) and the first resurrection (Rev. 20:1-6). There is nothing in the text of 2 Tim. 4:8 that would warrant a belief that Christ returns to earth after the millennium.

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Do we agree that his appearing coincides with the time of judgment? How then can you say that there is nothing here to support my point? The Bible clearly tells us that the time of judging happens after the millennium. How can you say this coincides with the first resurrection?

Truth Files said:

There is no temple of the Lord's scheduled to be built and on the temple mount during the coming tribulation period ..... this idea is a fabrication

The Lord Himself said "not one stone" left standing when He was asked about the time of the end and there are no instructions in scripture to build a tribulation temple

This scripture says no temple of the Lord's on the mount on the earth during the tribulation period [Revelation 11:1-2] .... the temple referred to in the passage is His temple in heaven, not on the earth

However, His temple will be built for His coming millennial kingdom on the earth after the tribulation and He will require "symbolic" sacrifice as a reminder of His own and His offering of salvation during the 1000 year kingdom [Ezekiel 40-48]

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While you and I, and MOST reborn Christian KNOW that we ARE the temple, the secular world sees a new Jewish temple as an inevitable entity. Not yet here, but coming reeeeeaaaaaaalllllll soon. Hence, the secular media building up for the event.

However, there are MANY within our own faith, Christianity, who believe the temple must be rebuilt to bring our Beloved back.


I have argued against it, and have been removed from a forum because of it. Also, SOME orthodox Jews believe they must build it to bring David back.

The Vatican has aided in funding this project, as has many other EVIL orders such as the SroFM, who wholly are bent on it's reconstruction, and have their shovel ready for this project.

Then again, what else are luciferian gnostics supposed to be trying to do anyway. Their god cannot desolate a spiritual temple, so he must have his followers build a physical one for the time being.

Tim Myers said:

I think the real debate begins when we discuss who the "martyrs" in the book of Revelation actually are......

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Well, that's a good point. I believe the group that takes part in the first resurrection is only the martyrs. The rest of us have to wait until the second resurrection. (nothing wrong with that. I'm more than happy to wait my turn.)

Revelation 20:4
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

I believe the description of the martyrs is one description for the same group. Some people believe that this somehow also includes people who were not martyred. These people believe that all the righteous take part in the first resurrection and only the wicked take part in the second resurrection.

Fortunately, there are literally dozens of scriptures that prove that both righteous and wicked will take part in the same resurrection. This resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked has to be the second resurrection, because the first only includes the martyrs.

So the martyrs is only those who were beheaded for Christ. Nobody else. Not grandma who died of a stroke last year. Not your cousin who died of cancer. And not the guy who's gonna get run over by a bus next week. Only those beheaded for Christ.

Not only does the description in Revelation 21 support this, but also the description of the souls under the altar at the breaking of the fifth seal.

9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters,[e] were killed just as they had been.

This entire group was killed in a very specific way. We know this because they are told to wait a little while longer until all those who are to be killed "as they had been" was complete.

So these souls first of all were killed. They did not die of natural causes. This is also why they are waiting to be avenged. You can only be avenged if you are killed, not if you died of cancer.

Secondly, they were killed in a very specific way (obviously beheading). So this group is clearly the martyrs. Now if the first resurrection were to include these martyrs plus other people (like grandma and your cousin), why are these other people not with this group under the altar? They are not with this group because they are a very distinct group, who were killed in a very specific way, and they will get a very specific reward. The rest of us are not resurrected until the thousand years have ended

miamited said:

Hi SF,

You responded to my post:
It would be a huge assumption to think God would allow such an abomination to be built.

That statement doesn't follow the thread. The OP asked why christians would be concerned that a new temple is to be built or is expected to be built. God allows sinners to live, I think that God has already given ample evidence that He is merciful enough to allow many abominations to exist until the time of judgment. There are murderers in every city and nation of the world. I honestly can't think of any abomination before God that would be more serious than one of us kill that which He has created and yet God allows murderers to continue to live.

There are people worshiping false gods and I'm confident that there is nothing more abominable to God than for those He created to give glory to another, and yet, God allows them to live. God allows many abominations to exist in this realm until the day of judgment. At that time, all those who have done abominable things and not accepted and agreed with His plan of mercy and forgiveness, will be called to account. Until that time, I think the Scriptures are clear that God, according to Peter, is being merciful and allowing many abominations to go unchallenged. Read the first chapter of Romans if you'd like a real feel for all the abominations that God is allowing to exist in this realm of creation until the judgment.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

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Hi Ted,
Yes i do agree that God allows many abominations to continue and judgment will be met accordingly with every one of them.
Those written in Romans 1 for example.

The ceasing of sacrifice and the determined desolation of Dan. 9 upon Jerusalem was accomplished by Christ Himself.
He Himself prophesied in Matt. and Luke the destruction leaving not one stone upon another and it was fulfilled shortly after when the temple was leveled and the city burned to the ground in 70AD.

This is why i say it presumptuous to think He would allow the rebuilding of what God has determined desolate already.

In Christ
Sonflower

Almighty's humble servant said:

While you and I, and MOST reborn Christian KNOW that we ARE the temple, the secular world sees a new Jewish temple as an inevitable entity. Not yet here, but coming reeeeeaaaaaaalllllll soon. Hence, the secular media building up for the event.

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there does not need to be another physical temple built to house the false Christ to fufil scripture. Scripture says there is a temple, but we know what that means.

However, there are MANY within our own faith, Christianity, who believe the temple must be rebuilt to bring our Beloved back.

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I borrowed a few of those head slaps.

I have argued against it, and have been removed from a forum because of it. Also, SOME orthodox Jews believe they must build it to bring David back.

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doh!borrowed another.

The Vatican has aided in funding this project,

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can you provide proof?
even as a Catholic, I knew who the temple of God is today.

as has many other EVIL orders such as the SroFM, who wholly are bent on it's reconstruction, and have their shovel ready for this project.

Then again, what else are luciferian gnostics supposed to be trying to do anyway. Their god cannot desolate a spiritual temple, so he must have his followers build a physical one for the time being.

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well, actually he can.
Many will be deceived.
The ones that will worship him, will have been seduced.
Satan will sit in them, as God.
he will claim to be Christ and anyone that "buys" it, will have been A of D'd.

My dear brothers Postios and Last Seven,

I can't mutiquote or cut and chop a post yet due to my cpu illiteracy, but I would like to shed some personal revelations on the subjects we have touched on.

Brother LS,
Those martyrs who have been killed for their testimony are awaiting their resurrection, some for as long as 6000 years. They could very well be petitioning our Beloved day and night to end this corrupted world today, soas our King might refashion the world incorruptible.

Jesus' plan seems to be to await the "straw that broke the camel's back, and only He knows how many more before He will come again. Other than not seeing grandma, or uncle bob in those Scriptures, we see other Scriptures saying that the dead in Christ shall rise first.

Perhaps those martyrs will return as angels to wage war with the beasts, and chase them to the ends of the earth, soas this planet might be cleansed of all evil. IDK, but I do know that MANY will survive the GT, and many more will perish. Surely the millenial Kingdom is for any and all in Christ Jesus, ours as a reward for remaining chaste and true to our King.

Brother Postios,

satan does not have sight into heart. While I don't recommend one testing this, it was satan who gave us knowledge and wisdom to become unto gods ourselves. his entire stance seems to indicate that he cannot overcome through spiritual means, but rather physical. Therefore he has enlisted the beasts to accomplish his endgoal. Mark humanity with a number, and force them to physically submit. He tried with our Lord by tempting Him with the stones, and he will do the same to us, tempting us with food, power, etc during the tribulation.

Your brother,
charles

Tim Myers said:

"Those martyrs who have been killed for their testimony are awaiting their resurrection...."

Where??.......

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I suppose their physical bodies have been long decayed into dust, but their spirits live and are drawn to the Lord.

There was a thread about where the spirit goes upon death. It was poll I think, and many many people posted Scriptural reference to support their opinion.

My opinion is that when we die, we our spirit sleeps, but we remain conscious, but as a man in a coma for 30 years can attest, when he is awaken it was like in a moment. I see our spirits feeling this same experience. We might have been dead 6000 years, but when our Majesty calls us to awake, it is in the blink of an eye.

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Brother Postios,

satan does not have sight into heart. While I don't recommend one testing this, it was satan who gave us knowledge and wisdom to become unto gods ourselves. his entire stance seems to indicate that he cannot overcome through spiritual means, but rather physical.

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I could not disagree stronger.
Our war is spiritual.

Therefore he has enlisted the beasts to accomplish his endgoal. Mark humanity with a number, and force them to physically submit.

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Satan has the number.

He tried with our Lord by tempting Him with the stones, and he will do the same to us, tempting us with food, power, etc during the tribulation.

Your brother,
charles

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He tempted the Lord with POWER aswell as bread...all this world, will I give to you...

Almighty's humble servant said:

My dear brothers Postios and Last Seven,

I can't mutiquote or cut and chop a post yet due to my cpu illiteracy, ...

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After so many posts you really should learn how to do that.

Almighty's humble servant said:

Brother LS,
Those martyrs who have been killed for their testimony are awaiting their resurrection, some for as long as 6000 years. They could very well be petitioning our Beloved day and night to end this corrupted world today, soas our King might refashion the world incorruptible.

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agreed.

Almighty's humble servant said:

Jesus' plan seems to be to await the "straw that broke the camel's back, and only He knows how many more before He will come again. Other than not seeing grandma, or uncle bob in those Scriptures, we see other Scriptures saying that the dead in Christ shall rise first.

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They will rise first, yes, but in relation to what? You believe they rise first as in the first resurrection. I believe they rise in the second resurrection, but first before the wicked.

Almighty's humble servant said:

Surely the millenial Kingdom is for any and all in Christ Jesus, ours as a reward for remaining chaste and true to our King.

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Millennial kingdom? The Bible does not teach a millennial kingdom. And though you may interpret "they will reign with him for a thousand years" as a kingdom of sorts, it certainly is not an earthly kingdom.

God's earthly kingdom does not begin until after Satan and death have been destroyed.

In 1 Corinthians 15 Paul describes the difference between the bodies we have now and the bodies we will have after the resurrection.

There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.
42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”[f]; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we[g] bear the image of the heavenly man.

We currently have mortal earthly bodies, but when we are resurrected we will have spiritual heavenly bodies. We will not be resurrected to live on earth, but to live in heaven.

So it will be with those who take part in the first resurrection. They will reign with Christ for a thousand years in heaven.

LastSeven said:

I respectfully disagree. Revelation 20 tells us that the martyrs are resurrected at the start of the millennium. The fifth seal shows the martyrs asking to be avenged. The sixth seal signifies the start of the millennium and the resurrection of the martyrs.

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But that is not what the revealed word teaches. In the fifth seal the Martyrs are told to wait until the number of their servants is complete. This does not occur in the six seal.

Rev. 6
11And (AE)there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should (AF)rest for a little while longer, (AG)until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be (AH)completed also.



Furthermore, Rev. 20 tells us that:

4Then I saw (H)thrones, and (I)they sat on them, and (J)judgment was given to them And I saw (K)the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their (L)testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not (M)worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the (N)mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they (O)came to life and (P)reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

It is clear that "those" here are the tribulation martyrs that were told in Rev. 6 to wait for a bit and here is when they will reign with Christ for the millennium. This happens at the start of the millennium not at the end.

Based on what? Your reasoning baffles me. Moses' message about a Messiah does not say anything about when he would return to Earth.

Revelation 21 describes the new heaven and the new earth and the new Jerusalem. It doesn't get any clearer than that. If this does not describe the restoration of all things then I don't know what does.

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Unfortunately you are jumping the gun here. Jesus restores all things at the beginning of the millennium and then reigns for 1000 years. The restoration referred to is accomplished during the tribulation and effected at the time of Jesus return when He judges the nations (Matt. 25).

Your Moses piece says nothing about timing, only that Jesus would come to save the world. Acts 3:21 gives us a clear indication of the timing of his return. For the life of me I can't see where you get the idea that Acts 3:21 refers to the time before the millennium.

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Acts 3:21 tells us nothing about a timing of Jesus return. The operative phrase in this verse refers to all things foretold by the prophets since the beginning of time therefore it is limited to this context. None of the OT prophets predicted the New Jerusalem but they did predict the 'day of the Lord" and "Jacob's trouble" which is commonly used to denote the tribulation and Christ judgment at the beginning of His millennial reign.

Do we agree that his appearing coincides with the time of judgment? How then can you say that there is nothing here to support my point? The Bible clearly tells us that the time of judging happens after the millennium. How can you say this coincides with the first resurrection?

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The bible tells us that it happens at the end of the tribulation not at the end of the millennium. Please refer to the judgment of the nations in Matt. 25 which follows directly after the prediction of the tribulation (Matt. 24).