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A- the letter ALEPH

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In the Hebrew language, as in NO other, the letter names are also words that are used in the Hebrew text. Aleph is also a WORD, and I think we would all agree that WORDS are used symbolically in scripture. Certainly satan has lead many to use the letters in an occulutic and unclean way, as he has with the scriptures themselves. This does not mean we throw away scripture because it has been misused my some. The way in which the letters can properly be used as a teaching tool is to research the letter names and how those words are used in scritpure. It is a great tool for understanding Hebraisms in scripture and how YHWH is consistant with his images and symbols throughout scripture. It is just a teaching tool, not majic...............

Hey, Hey, long time no see! I couldn't believe it when I saw your name on the forum header, I rubbed my eyes to be sure!

Good to 'see' you again, how have you been?
 
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Lots of changes in the past few years. My hubby past a few years ago, I moved, and have been busy teaching.

The concerns with this kind of subject being misused are very valid concerns. I've seen it again and again. It is one of the reasons I decide to do the research and study for myself using ONLY scripture and lexicons. I have been re-doing/deepening my studies on all the letters AGAIN the past couple of years since I found some fellow diligent students to study with me. I am more convinced than ever that YHWH really has constructed His word from the letters up. Everything is there for a reason and for a learning tool. Most of my students come from HR back ground and sometimes have been exposed to some crazy stuff. My goal has been to stay as scriptural as possible and bring them back from error and have found many in the mainline churches to find great joy in wonders of the Hebrew when it is carefully and scripturally done. Most certainly I am sure many conclusions are not perfect........but after 30 years, His word just keeps getting deeper and never-ending blessings.
 
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In the Hebrew language, as in NO other, the letter names are also words that are used in the Hebrew text. Aleph is also a WORD, and I think we would all agree that WORDS are used symbolically in scripture. Certainly satan has lead many to use the letters in an occulutic and unclean way, as he has with the scriptures themselves. This does not mean we throw away scripture because it has been misused by some. The way in which the letters can properly be used as a teaching tool is to research the letter names and how those words are used in scripture. It is a great tool for understanding Hebraisms in scripture and how YHWH is consistant with his images and symbols throughout scripture. It is just a teaching tool, not majic...............

Yonah may know more about modern Hebrew, but he is wrong about the letters. Unlike English, which is a conglomeration of other languages, ancient Hebrew was a pure language with a pure alphabet. Each letter has meaning, and help to shape the words they are used in. This does not carry over to modern Hebrew as the modern words were artificially constructed.
 
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Lots of changes in the past few years. My hubby past a few years ago, I moved, and have been busy teaching.

The concerns with this kind of subject being misused are very valid concerns. I've seen it again and again. It is one of the reasons I decide to do the research and study for myself using ONLY scripture and lexicons. I have been re-doing/deepening my studies on all the letters AGAIN the past couple of years since I found some fellow diligent students to study with me. I am more convinced than ever that YHWH really has constructed His word from the letters up. Everything is there for a reason and for a learning tool. Most of my students come from HR back ground and sometimes have been exposed to some crazy stuff. My goal has been to stay as scriptural as possible and bring them back from error and have found many in the mainline churches to find great joy in wonders of the Hebrew when it is carefully and scripturally done. Most certainly I am sure many conclusions are not perfect........but after 30 years, His word just keeps getting deeper and never-ending blessings.


My condolences on your husband passing, that must be rough. :hug:

I realize there are concerns but the ones brought up were not by a believer so language is merely a secular thing, not spiritual.

I'm glad you are revisiting your research, I hope you will share with us sometime. In fact I brought up some of your posts not that long ago for others to enjoy. I know when I revisit a subject such as this there is so much to explore, the depth almost unfathomable! But it is there for those who seek to dig deeper, ever hungry and thirsty to know Him more. :clap:
 
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Yonah may know more about modern Hebrew, but he is wrong about the letters. Unlike English, which is a conglomeration of other languages, ancient Hebrew was a pure language with a pure alphabet. Each letter has meaning, and help to shape the words they are used in. This does not carry over to modern Hebrew as the modern words were artificially constructed.

The Hebrew alphabet was not pure. It was taken from the Phoenicians. The paleo-Hebrew and Phoenician alphabets are virtually identical.

In the beginning: The origins of the Hebrew alphabet - Jewish World - Israel News | Haaretz
 
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The Hebrew alphabet was not pure. It was taken from the Phoenicians. The paleo-Hebrew and Phoenician alphabets are virtually identical.

In the beginning: The origins of the Hebrew alphabet - Jewish World - Israel News | Haaretz
I'm not a member there, so I couldn't get the full text. However their opening declaration is "Modern Hebrew writing isn't really based on ancient Hebrew letters at all, and it's because of the exile in Babylon." So the ancient aleph-bet could, in the absence of any other evidence, still have been "pure," as the article apparently only addressed post-Babylonian exile letters. But, like I said, I couldn't read the article ... :sigh:

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I'm not a member there, so I couldn't get the full text. However their opening declaration is "Modern Hebrew writing isn't really based on ancient Hebrew letters at all, and it's because of the exile in Babylon." So the ancient aleph-bet could, in the absence of any other evidence, still have been "pure," as the article apparently only addressed post-Babylonian exile letters. But, like I said, I couldn't read the article ... :sigh:

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Try this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleo-Hebrew_alphabet
 
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Good old Wiki-Plageria! LOL!

Thanks.

Yeah, it was talking about the post-exilic language. If you can find some of the works by Dr. Frank Seekins you'll get a better idea of the original aleph-bet and the meanings of each letter. I have "Hebrew Word Pictures," a short book by him with a lot of pictures (just the way I like my books to be!;)). It's pretty interesting.

Dan
 
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I think this says something to that

8 Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the L-RD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.
9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the L-RD, to serve him with one consent.

We must not have it right now therefore the Babylonian version and the no saying of the name. Only when it comes back to the pure, or 'clean' language that HaShem gave on the mountain will we be able to call upon him in harmony.
 
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The Hebrew word for FATHER is AB(V)* - ALEPH/BET
Bet is also the WORD for HOUSE, therfore, AB (father) is the STRONG one (aleph) of the HOUSE (bet)

In Ancient Hebrew the Aleph represented strength; and and the Bet represented a tent, or a house.

One definition of the word AB is "pole." The pole is the strength that supports the tent.

This further confirms your understanding of the meaning of "father."

Another definition is fruit, the father of the next generation, attached to the tree (pole).
 
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It was yinonyavo's work that spurred my study of 'Sevens' in scripture as they relate to the:
  1. Days of Creation
  2. Covenants with Man
  3. Furnishings of the Temple Service
  4. Ministry of the Messiah
...etc.
 
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It was yinonyavo's work that spurred my study of 'Sevens' in scripture as they relate to the:
  1. Days of Creation
  2. Covenants with Man
  3. Furnishings of the Temple Service
  4. Ministry of the Messiah
...etc.

This is the first of her threads that I clicked on. I need to do some more clickin'.

Shabbat shalom
 
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This is the first of his threads that I clicked on. I need to do some more clickin'.

Shabbat shalom
Uh, her threads...
...and yeah, we should all. It's good stuff.
 
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@daq @Hark
It was yinonyavo's work that spurred my study of 'Sevens' in scripture as they relate to the:
  1. Days of Creation
  2. Covenants with Man
  3. Furnishings of the Temple Service
  4. Ministry of the Messiah
...etc.

As for point number one, in my current understanding, (which I do not foresee ever changing), the sacred calendar day in the opening creation account is the answer to everything calendrical, including that aspect of point number four, the ministry of the Messiah.
 
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As for point number one, in my current understanding, (which I do not foresee ever changing), the sacred calendar day in the opening creation account is the answer to everything calendrical, including that aspect of point number four, the ministry of the Messiah.
From a scriptural perspective, ok. From a calendrical perspective, not so much. As I said elsewhere,
Fluctuations in the rotation of the Earth (and other heavenly bodies) is scientifically verified, and Scientists have no way of knowing exactly how much these celestial variations apply to Earth prior to 1972 (when the atomic clock was first used to calibrate our clocks and calendars)

Nor can they know the motion of any other celestial body whose spin, orientation, orbit, trajectory or like relationships has not been directly observed, recorded and verified. (Y'know, scientific method and all that...)

Further, we don't seem to be able agree on any celestial observations or calendrical implications they may indicate, mainly due to a reluctance among academics or religious leaders to break ranks with their peers' prevailing theory or the generally accepted status quo - many times in the face of irrefutable fact-based evidence.
It is an easy thing to prove that the Jewish calendar has changed. Daq, if you simply mean the weekly cycle of days, I could not agree more. But calendars do change primarily to align lunar months with solar years, a task that scripture requires we rectify. The solar cycle (which defines the Aviv) and the lunar cycle (which defines the rest of the Appointed Times). The solar and lunar cycles ebb and flow and not synchronously. That is the entire reason that HaShem required we check the color and maturity of the barley before declaring a new year.

Hope this helps! :oldthumbsup:
 
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It is an easy thing to prove that the Jewish calendar has changed.

But in the way I understand it the Torah calendar has not.

Daq, if you simply mean the weekly cycle of days, I could not agree more.

I find seven yamim in a sacred calendar yom.

But calendars do change primarily to align lunar months with solar years, a task that scripture requires we rectify.

Agreed, the scripture requires it.

The solar cycle (which defines the Aviv) and the lunar cycle (which defines the rest of the Appointed Times).

And what then when the sun is darkened and the moon does not give her light? :D

The solar and lunar cycles ebb and flow and not synchronously.

Agreed.

That is the entire reason that HaShem required we check the color and maturity of the barley before declaring a new year.

Where is this commanded?
 
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The Hebrew alphabet was not pure. It was taken from the Phoenicians. The paleo-Hebrew and Phoenician alphabets are virtually identical.

In the beginning: The origins of the Hebrew alphabet - Jewish World - Israel News | Haaretz

That all depends on how one reads and understands the Genesis 9:20-29 passage where Noah himself names Kanaan. Why would he do that? He had every right to do so, and apparently he did not turn him over to Ham either, and instead Noah raised Kanaan himself, (the age-old alpha male struggle for leadership of the clan). Therefore the Kanaani learned the letters through their father, Kanaan, who learned the language and the letters from his stepfather, Noah. Thus there are two lines through which the proto-Semitic letters descend, that is, both Shem and Kanaan, both through Noah.

Noah settled in the land which would of course later come to be known as Kanaan. However, when the land was divided in the days of Peleg, Ham, (his son Mitzraim), received Mitzraim, (Egypt).
 
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Where is this commanded?
Exodus 12:2

In Exodus 12:2, God is beginning to instruct Moses on the institution of Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread among the Israelites in Egypt. Since these festivals are appointed times that are to be kept annually, He must give Israel a calendar on which to place them, which in turn demands a starting point for the year. In that verse, He tells Moses simply, "This month shall be your beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you."

The name of this first month does not appear until the next chapter, where within further instructions on the Feast of Unleavened Bread, God says, "On this day you are going out, in the month Abib" (Exodus 13:4). The Hebrew word, 'ābîb, refers to barley, particularly the ripe but soft and tender grain that is produced in the early springtime, so it is often defined as "young," "tender," or "green ear." The first month of the year, then, coincides with the beginning of spring. Later, this month was named "Nisan," a Chaldean word borrowed during the Jews' exile in Babylon. "Nisan" appears only in texts written after their return.

When specifically does this month begin? The earliest reckoning of the first month may have relied on visible observation of the new moon that coincided with the "green ear" stage of the growth of barley. Because the ancient Israelites were more closely tied to the cycles of life in nature than we are, they knew when this time was approaching. A simple observation of the local barley crop would tell them whether the ears would ripen to the "green ear" stage by the next new moon. If they would, the next new moon would begin the first month, Abib. If not, it was delayed or postponed by one month, and the following month would become Abib.

Later, the Israelites—most likely the Levites, who were in charge of the calendar—developed a system whereby they could calculate with great accuracy the appearance of the new moons. Their calculations were based on astronomical data that had been collected over many hundreds of years, and before long, they could predict the conjunction of moon and sun to the minute. Visual sightings verified their calculations, and the high priest would sanctify the new moon (that is, pronounce it as valid or set apart for determining God's appointed times, the holy days) for the nation.

Yet, the Bible contains indications that the new moon of Tishri, the seventh month, coinciding with the beginning of autumn, may also have functioned as a New Year. For example, Ezekiel 40:1 contains a phrase, "the head of the year" (KJV) or "the beginning of the year" (New King James Version [NKJV]), in concert with a date, the tenth day of the month, which Judaism identifies as Tishri, making this the Day of Atonement. (This phrase, Hebrew rosh hashana, is used by Jews today to designate the Feast of Trumpets, the first day of the seventh month.)

In addition, in Exodus 23:16, the Feast of Ingathering (Tabernacles) is said to be "at the end [going out] of the year," and in Exodus 34:22, the same feast is dated "at the year's end," a phrase more literally rendered as "at the turn of the year." Further, II Samuel 11:1 begins with a phrase that designates springtime as "the return of the year" (in the NKJV, this phrase is directly interpreted as "the spring of the year").

Scholars argue that these phrases indicate two calendar years in simultaneous use. Tishri 1, they assert, began what can be called the "civil" or "secular" year, while Abib 1 inaugurated the "sacred," "cultic," or "religious" year. However, each of these indications of a Tishri 1 New Year can be disputed. For instance, the name of the month in Ezekiel 40:1 does not appear in the text, and further, throughout his book, the prophet consistently uses the Babylonian system of reckoning—which had a spring New Year. "Head of the year," then, would indicate the tenth day of the first month, Abib, making Abib 1 the true rosh hashana.

As for the Feast of Tabernacles taking place "at the end of the year," it does—at the end of the agricultural year. The context says nothing about a calendar but a great deal about Israelite agrarian activities throughout a typical annual cycle. Finally, calling springtime "the return of the year" makes sense, as it is indeed the time when the year "returns" to begin anew.

While some surrounding cultures may have used a Tishri 1 date for their New Year, Israel seems to have adhered to an Abib 1 New Year based on the clear and unambiguous statement by God in Exodus 12:2. If we are well-grounded in the springtime "first month of the year" commanded in Exodus 12:2, the biblical indications of a Tishri 1 New Year become explainable and fall by the wayside.

SOURCE:
Richard T. Ritenbaugh
The Biblical New Year
 
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