A summary

[Brieuse]

A summary of all the posts:

1. A gay person choses their sexuality even those that claim to not have. Personal testimonies are wrong.
2. There is a long history of oppressing homosexuals because God wants that. He desires homosexuals to know that they are not welcome unless they are able to live a life of loneliness.
3. Most of those doing the oppressing are Christians, some of whom secretly visit gay bars. They are free in Christ because they approach Christ to forgive them.
4. As Der Alter has proven, there has been a long history of various interpretations of the words in the Bible that are now considered to mean "homosexual". All the various translations are assumed to mean "homosexual", because the ECF spoke in a figure of speech, and that's how Greek scholars translate, and don't dare to question that lest you be insulted by a real Greek scholar. If you aren't a Greek Scholar then you are not allowed to question them. If you are a Greek Scholar and don't agree with the real Greek Scholars, then you are mistaken.
5. Most of us Gay Christians have asked for freedom from homosexuality. After reading some random accounts on the world wide web where some have been able to oppress those feelings to a point where they can be chaste, we conclude that we are just deviant and should try harder. Chastity is compulsory for homosexuals and optional for heterosexuals.
6. Modern day psychologists that are neutral when it comes to religion, therefore are unbiased, tell us it's a natural part of a person. However they are mistaken because Narth is correct.
7. According to Family R Us, God hates [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth].
8. The Old Law only applies to homosexuals. The others are now free in Christ.
9. Bisexuality doesn't exist, the 0.1% that were able to "turn" were 100% Gay.
10. Sodomy is not what the Bible describes. It is homosexuals wanting to rape other homosexuals in a monogamous loving way.
11. Heterosexuals that sodomise are free in Christ, however homosexual sodomisers are not.
12. If your relationship is not able to allow procreation as part of it, then you are in sin. This of course does not apply to heterosexuals because they aren't homosexual. God's plan was for everybody to procreate.
13. Every man is required to marry to avoid being in sin.
14. Homosexuality is idolatry.
15. A Christian is required to love the sinner but hate the sin.
16. Homosexuality is only about sex.

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[LANTERN]

“[homosexuals are] brute beasts…part of a vile and satanic system [that] will be utterly annihilated, and there will be a celebration in heaven.”
“AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals”
-Jerry Falwell

“Many of those people involved in Adolf Hitler were Satanists, many were homosexuals - the two things seem to go together”

“It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal media and the homosexuals who want to destroy all Christians”

-Pat Robertson

Anita Bryant
“As a mother, I know that homosexuals cannot biologically reproduce children; therefore, they must recruit our children.”

"What these people really want, hidden behind obscure legal phrases, is the legal right to propose to our children that there is an acceptable alternate way of life." she said. "I will lead such a crusade to stop it as this country has not seen before." It was called "Save Our Children," the start of an organized opposition to gay rights that spread across the nation, and the beginning of what came to be known as the Religious right. The Rev. Jerry Falwell went to Miami to help her… “ Anita Bryant bio in Wikipedia

“If gays are granted rights, next we'll have to give rights to prostitutes and to people who sleep with St. Bernards and to nailbiters.” Anita Bryant

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders... (1 Cor. 6:9, NIV)

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[TheFathersDaughter]

Lantern, Hitler himself was Christian.

So should we all generalize that Christians are out to genocide the world?

 

[BAFRIEND]

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3. Most of those doing the oppressing are Christians, some of whom secretly visit gay bars. They are free in Christ because they approach Christ to forgive them.

Man.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Dear Brieuse,
Probably a good idea to post a summary, however the summary is flawed.

1. A person may, or may not have innate sexual desires, and may or may not chose their sexuality.

That means all the rest of your points are based on the assumption that there are such people as homosexuals. Worse still, you referred to the relationship between homosexuals and God, you mix the words ‘gay’ and ‘homosexual’ and you apparently ignore ‘homosexuals’ who are Christians who know that God’s purpose is not same-sex sex.

This point of course is a foundation of the gospel.
15. A Christian is required to love the sinner but hate the sin.

Gid didnt mess up when He created anyone, He delights in all people as His creation.

 

[Brieuse]

Dear Brieuse,
Probably a good idea to post a summary, however the summary is flawed.

1. A person may, or may not have innate sexual desires, and may or may not chose their sexuality.

That means all the rest of your points are based on the assumption that there are such people as homosexuals. Worse still, you referred to the relationship between homosexuals and God, you mix the words ‘gay’ and ‘homosexual’ and you apparently ignore ‘homosexuals’ who are Christians who know that God’s purpose is not same-sex sex.

This point of course is a foundation of the gospel.
15. A Christian is required to love the sinner but hate the sin.

Gid didnt mess up when He created anyone, He delights in all people as His creation.

I can pretty much say, with confidence, that there are homosexuals.

The rest was a summary of posts prevailing in this forum - ie not necessarily my opinion.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Dear Brieuse,
I can say that there are homosexuals for certain simply becuase they claim to be. I also have no doubt that they have same-sex desires as well, my point was are they being rational and logical. The summary was expressed from a praticing homosexual point of view, some celibate Christians who have homosexual desires but who believe same-sex sex is wrong wouldnt sum up like that on all those points.

 

[UberLutheran]

17. Homosexuality is the worst sin in the world. It's worse than adultery, murder, rape, torture, or even genocide because it's a sin against nature AND it's "icky".

18. Homosexuals do ALL of the following things:
• They ALL have reprobate minds
• They ALL do things which are not fitting
• They are filled with unrighteousness
• They are immoral
• They are wicket
• They covet
• They are malicious
• They are envious
• They are murderers (since by wasting valuable sperm they make conception impossible, so their sex acts are equivalent to murder)
• They cause strife
• They are deceitful
• They have evil habits
• They are slanderers
• They are backbiters
• They are hateful to God
• They are insolent
• They are haughty
• They are boastful
• They are inventors of evil things
• They disobey their parents
• They have no understanding
• They break covenants
• They are incapable of affection
• They are unforgiving
• They are unmerciful
• They, more than any other group, deserve to die and we should hope their death occurs sooner than later.

Heterosexuals, of course, do NONE of these things. Even the most vile and reprehensible heterosexuals do none of these things, since these behaviors are the exclusive domain of homosexuals.

19. The only reason we let homosexuals live is because our current system of laws and government isn't truly Biblically-based, so we have to let them live. However, once democracy and a republican form of government are overthrown and a Biblically-based theocracy based on Old Testament Law is re-established (since God's grace allows for us to obey ALL of the 613 Laws -- except the ones we don't like, like the food laws), we can get rid of the sodomites once and for all!

20. Just because we "love the sinner and hate the sin" doesn't mean we want homosexuals living or working anywhere near us, or sitting at the table next to us when we go to eat at a restaurant!

 

[Brieuse]

Dear Brieuse,
I can say that there are homosexuals for certain simply becuase they claim to be. I also have no doubt that they have same-sex desires as well, my point was are they being rational and logical. The summary was expressed from a praticing homosexual point of view, some celibate Christians who have homosexual desires but who believe same-sex sex is wrong wouldnt sum up like that on all those points.

You assume too much about me. Been on a few dates yes, but that's as far as it's been for the last 6 months. Still trying to find the right guy.