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Maybe yours is. But how do you know that's true for other people?Im sure that life would be far richer without Kirekegaards leap of faith.
Maybe yours is. But how do you know that's true for other people?
Essentially, I think, because I don't take richness of life to inherently imply an absence of pain. Of course religious belief won't ease physical pain, but it will certainly ease existential pain, or existential angst.
No, I would not.Perhaps my own definition of virtue has corrupted my line of reasoning, but I'm sure we would all agree that the seeking out of, and the practicing of, truth is virtuous.
No, I would not.
Subjectivity is truth. The practicing of truth can only ever be valid within the context of the practicer. It is meaningless to talk of the practicing of truth without reference to the one who practices her truth.
The idea that people can set out on a path of seeking out truth is fantasy. We have an idea of what the 'truth' is before we take the first step, and thus we're not really seeking anything. We're just trying to build on our own beliefs, preconceptions, opinions.
Another atheist blogger who criticises the beliefs of others while offering no beliefs of his own ...
Seriously, is there going to be anything more substantial to your blog other that "Religion is for pussies"?
I did not say nihilism is soothing - although it is true that it can be soothing. I personally find my impending death a source of great comfort, in contrast to the agony that the absurdists and existentialists seem to feel over it.Regarding your second paragraph (sorry for taking this slightly out of order), I'd like to go on the record as saying (subjectively, but I doubt many would disagree with me) that the idea of meaninglessness, the idea of the inevitable annihilation of both oneself, one's loved ones and one's entire species, and the idea that there is no objective morality (and the realisation of the enormous secular effort which will be required in order to establish an ethical and peaceful society in light of this) is anything but soothing. This is true if only for the amount of required scholarly endeavour that it implies.
I am acting in mauvaise foi if I deny my divine possibility and the state that arises from that denial is mauvaise foi. Mauvaise foi is nothing other than ignorance.Just to confirm the internal coherency of your statement, are you stating that 'ignorance' is 'caused' by the denial itself, not that the denial is an ignorant 'action' in and of itself, in light of the misconception that one is not divine?
Divine possibility is a term that religious existentialists might use. I use the term partly because I think only the word 'divine' can really capture the sense of wonder and amazement that one's freedom should merit, but also because I think there is something divine about the concept.Does your idea of denial imply that said divinity is a justified true belief (i.e. is 'known') and that this knowledge is rejected in spite of an acknowledged justification?
A subjective perspective of truth is not restricted to the religious. I first encountered it in Nietzsche.As an academic, I disagree flatly with this, although it does seem to be an ongoing theme in responses on this blog (i.e. the propagation of the idea that subjective/pluralistic models of truth are taken seriously outside of the religious community).
You may not even be aware of it. Everyone has an agenda, everyone is coming at it from their own side. A suspicious man once said, "there is only a perspectival seeing, only a perspectival knowing."I am certainly not trying to build upon my own beliefs/preconceptions in research (either professionally or in my own time, indeed reason requires us to be objective in 'good faith').
I have a habit of editing my posts after they are posted because I think of better ways to reframe my opinions. I apologise, I recognise this is annoying.Re. my 09:29 PM post - references to paragraphs are slightly redundant seeing as Nooj reformatted his original post. The essence of his comments remain unchanged though, so my response still stands.
Atheism is an instance of non-belief. Everyone believes some things, it is true. But if the subject is atheism, then any other beliefs than belief in God is off-topic.Another atheist blogger who criticises the beliefs of others while offering no beliefs of his own ...
How about, "Religion is for people who are too lazy to think"? Or, "Religion is for people who want to believe themselves somehow better than non-believers"?Seriously, is there going to be anything more substantial to your blog other that "Religion is for pussies"?
There are at least two things wrong with your reply. First is that labelling literally billions of people as arrogant and intellectually lazy is itself arrogent and intellectually lazy. The second is that you seem to have forgotten that Buddhism is a religion. So unless you're being very self-deprecating (or simply have no concept of irony) you're hardly in a position to criticise reigious people.Gracchus said:How about, "Religion is for people who are too lazy to think"? Or, "Religion is for people who want to believe themselves somehow better than non-believers"?Notedstrangeperson said:Seriously, is there going to be anything more substantial to your blog other that "Religion is for pussies"?
There are at least two things wrong with your reply. First is that labelling literally billions of people as arrogant and intellectually lazy is itself arrogent and intellectually lazy. The second is that you seem to have forgotten that Buddhism is a religion. So unless you're being very self-deprecating (or simply have no concept of irony) you're hardly in a position to criticise reigious people.
And people wonder why atheists are seen as egotistical.
The Bible isn't a book, it's a series of books. It's true that some of the earliest books date towards the end of the Bronze age (the Book of Job dates to about 1,500 BC) but the youngest book, Revelations, was written around 95 AD. This was during the age of the Roman empire.JazzTrance said:I think that such a summation would have been lazy itself say in the bronze-age, where man knew no better than worship
People seem to have this conflicting view on the Bible - half the time they argue it's a ridiculously outdated book which expects modern people to live the same way people in the bronze age did, and half the time they claim it's been updated and edited so often that it's no longer reliable.
Theravada Buddhism, most closely linked to Siddhartha Gautama's historical teachings is essentially a moral philosophy (with broad-stroke metaphysical and epistemological teachings reinforced entirely by contemporary naturalistic academia). As buddhist teachings spread into Eastern Asia, and what we call 'zen' teachings developed originally in China, and into the Himalayan region (commonly known today as Vajrayana, and taken together with the East Asian tradition, referred to collectively as Mahayana) the teachings amalgamated localised (and more traditionally 'religious') folk beliefs. Incidentally, these should be considered seperate from the core Buddhist teachings, which continue to emphasise a lack of human 'soul', the transience of all things in nature, karma in a psychological context and divorced of superstitious connotations, the importance of 'reason' above all other human faculties, and a rejection of authority in either scripture or personality (other key concepts in all religions, supernatural and otherwise).
Devas are gods. The Buddha talks to the gods in the scriptures. These are from the Pali Canon mind you.This was said by the Lord...
"Bhikkhus, held by two kinds of views, some devas and
human beings hold back and some overreach; only those with vision see.
"And how, bhikkhus, do some hold back? Devas and humans enjoy being, delight in being, are satisfied with being. When Dhamma is taught to them for the cessation of being, their minds do not enter into it or acquire confidence in it or settle upon it or become resolved upon it. Thus, bhikkhus, do some hold back.
"How, bhikkhus, do some overreach? Now some are troubled, ashamed, and disgusted by this very same being and they rejoice in (the idea of) non-being, asserting: 'In as much as this self, good sirs, when the body perishes at death, is annihilated and destroyed and does not exist after death — this is peaceful, this is excellent, this is reality!' Thus, bhikkhus, do some overreach.
"How, bhikkhus, do those with vision see? Herein a bhikkhu sees what has come to be as having come to be. Having seen it thus, he practices the course for turning away, for dispassion, for the cessation of what has come to be. Thus, bhikkhus, do those with vision see."
Having seen what has come to be As having come to be, Passing beyond what has come to be, They are released in accordance with truth By exhausting the craving for being. When a bhikkhu has fully understood That which has come to be as such, Free from craving to be this or that, By the extinction of what has come to be He comes no more to renewal of being.
This too is the meaning of what was said by the Lord, so I heard.
We must leave this interminable wandering through existence, being reborn over and over and over and over and over and over.At Savatthi. There the Blessed One said: "From an inconstruable beginning comes transmigration. A beginning point is not evident, though beings hindered by ignorance and fettered by craving are transmigrating & wandering on. What do you think, monks: Which is greater, the tears you have shed while transmigrating & wandering this long, long time — crying & weeping from being joined with what is displeasing, being separated from what is pleasing — or the water in the four great oceans?"
"As we understand the Dhamma taught to us by the Blessed One, this is the greater: the tears we have shed while transmigrating & wandering this long, long time — crying & weeping from being joined with what is displeasing, being separated from what is pleasing — not the water in the four great oceans."
"Excellent, monks. Excellent. It is excellent that you thus understand the Dhamma taught by me.
"This is the greater: the tears you have shed while transmigrating & wandering this long, long time — crying & weeping from being joined with what is displeasing, being separated from what is pleasing — not the water in the four great oceans.
"Long have you (repeatedly) experienced the death of a mother. The tears you have shed over the death of a mother while transmigrating & wandering this long, long time — crying & weeping from being joined with what is displeasing, being separated from what is pleasing — are greater than the water in the four great oceans.
"Long have you (repeatedly) experienced the death of a father... the death of a brother... the death of a sister... the death of a son... the death of a daughter... loss with regard to relatives... loss with regard to wealth... loss with regard to disease. The tears you have shed over loss with regard to disease while transmigrating & wandering this long, long time — crying & weeping from being joined with what is displeasing, being separated from what is pleasing — are greater than the water in the four great oceans.
"Why is that? From an inconstruable beginning comes transmigration. A beginning point is not evident, though beings hindered by ignorance and fettered by craving are transmigrating & wandering on. Long have you thus experienced stress, experienced pain, experienced loss, swelling the cemeteries — enough to become disenchanted with all fabricated things, enough to become dispassionate, enough to be released."
Regarding meditative practice, these practices may (and should) be considered completely seperate from any sort of supernatural ideas (they are, with the exception of Vajrayana tantric practices, the complete opposite). Likewise, the Buddha's ethical teachings were entirely secular and are void of appeal to any sort of authority or moral objectivity (taking India's existing metaphysical and physical understanding as a starting point, the historical Buddha's additions to/rejections of the commonly accepted models of the day were entirely secular; contrast this to the supernatural fulfillment of existing illiterate prophesy that was Hebrew understanding of the world order in the time of Jesus).
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