a strait forward question about Genesis.

[Wotan]

Genesis was inspired by God, and written by Moses. God, who was there, would be a reliable, factual source.

but your trussting moses that (a) he was inspired by God and (b) he wrote exactl what God said, so therefore genesis is fallible

 

[Uphill Battle]

but your trussting moses that (a) he was inspired by God and (b) he wrote exactl what God said, so therefore genesis is fallible

not if your point A and point B are met.

 

[ImmortalTechnique]

except that moses didn't write those books

 

[Uphill Battle]

except that moses didn't write those books

yes, yes, you're trying to bait someone into protesting, so you can lay in with whatever proof you have that he didn't... let me guess... because he would have had to write about his own death, correct?

 

[John16:2]

except that moses didn't write those books

EXACTLY what I'm saying; Y'all expect every man of God in the Bible to be infallable, though Jonah was fallable, yet a man of God. You allow no room for the human factor at all, or Hebrew oral tradition to keep the version perfect since the cataclysm of 9600BC, end of Pleistocene age.

May God judge the attackers as harshly as their no slack attitude. Mere men tried to represent God in the Bible, not omniscient gods.

Plato pinpointed 9600BC as the Atlantis cataclysm. ANY human culture had to be after Adam. The knowledge of the GLOBAL pyramid culture is lost as if mount Everest was underwater as nitpickers demand. A generalization statement in Genesis only requires most mountains be covered (2-4 thousand feet), and Hebrew oral tradition (STILL USED), may've exagerrated the story since 9600BC.

Cut God some slack, & the Christians who don't come to CF to get bashed daily (Matthew 5:11).

Science doesn't deny the Pleistocene cataclysm, the only issue is severity described. Underwater ruins are global, including 2 pyramids. Underground ruins from Toltecs to Ur, which has no vegetation to overgrow it. Underground pyramid in China, and many in central America, the buried sphynx badly eroded. All their civilization is a mystery, the cataclysm was complete destruction. That's enough to make the Bible true enough for me.

 

[John16:2]

EXACTLY what I'm saying; Y'all expect every man of God in the Bible to be infallable, though Jonah was fallable, yet a man of God. You allow no room for the human factor at all, or Hebrew oral tradition to keep the version perfect since the cataclysm of 9600BC, end of Pleistocene age.

May God judge the attackers as harshly as their no slack attitude. Mere men tried to represent God in the Bible, not omniscient gods.

Plato pinpointed 9600BC as the Atlantis cataclysm. ANY human culture had to be after Adam. The knowledge of the GLOBAL pyramid culture is lost as if mount Everest was underwater as nitpickers demand. A generalization statement in Genesis only requires most mountains be covered (2-4 thousand feet), and Hebrew oral tradition (STILL USED), may've exagerrated the story since 9600BC.

Cut God some slack, & the Christians who don't come to CF to get bashed daily (Matthew 5:11).

Science doesn't deny the Pleistocene cataclysm, the only issue is severity described. Underwater ruins are global, including 2 pyramids. Underground ruins from Toltecs to Ur, which has no vegetation to overgrow it. Underground pyramid in China, and many in central America, the buried sphynx badly eroded. All their civilization is a mystery, the cataclysm was complete destruction. That's enough to make the Bible true enough for me.

PS; y'all demand total infallability from everyone who contributed to the Bible, including Jonah, who was wrong, yet a man of God. Moses era Genesis was the result of oral tradition of Hebrews since 9600BC. They call God nonexistent because mount Everest may not have been totally underwater,m giving no slack for the human factor, or for it being a generalization meaning most mountains were covered at 2-4 thousand feet.

They wear their heartlessness on their posts here at CF, attacking Christians who came to socialize, not be insulted everyday for believing, requiring a degree to have anything ignored anyhow they present. Stonewallers galore here. The Pleistocene cataclysm is a science fact, maybe exagerrated over the many years. Pardon God for being represented by mere men, not gods. You're free to deny God, but bashing believers into consciencelessness is bad for society, even if you think one contributer was fallable a Jonah was. "All men have fallen short of the glory of God"-NT. Atlantis was, but is totally a mystery now because the cataclysm was complete destruction. The "sons of God" of Genesis 6:2 may've saved botany samples and such.

 

[ImmortalTechnique]

yes, yes, you're trying to bait someone into protesting, so you can lay in with whatever proof you have that he didn't... let me guess... because he would have had to write about his own death, correct?

no... there's simply an astounding amount of evidence t hat the books weren't even written by one person, let alone by moses (who was probably long dead by the time these myths were written down if he ever lived at all)

 

[Uphill Battle]

no... there's simply an astounding amount of evidence t hat the books weren't even written by one person, let alone by moses (who was probably long dead by the time these myths were written down if he ever lived at all)

ok then, astound us.

 

[ImmortalTechnique]

1. the bible never says that moses wrote it (so its not even a challenge if you somehow still believe in inerrancy)
2. Most scholars studying WITHOUT the preconceived notion that Moses wrote them all find several reasons to conlcude multiple authorship over a period of time:
a. Contrasting Couplet Stories
There are several instances where the same story is told twice in different ways. They believe this is because someone gathered old writings from several sources and organized them. Some examples:
Two creation stories in Genesis.
Two descriptions of the Abrahamic covenant.
Two stories of the naming of Isaac.
Two instances where Abraham deceived a king by introducing his wife Sarah as his sister.
Two stories of Jacob traveling to Mesopotamia
Two stories of a revelation at Beth-el to Jacob.
Two accounts of God changing Jacob's name to Israel
Two instances where Moses extracted water from two different rocks at two different locations called Meribah.


Genesis 11:31 This describes Abraham as living in the city Ur, and associates that location with the Chaldeans. Archeological evidence indicates that the Chaldeans did not exist as a tribe at the time of Abraham; they rose to power much later, during the 1st millennium BCE.

this appears to indicate that the story was written by someone AFTER the events, transmuting familiar peoples and places into the oral tradition. This happens other times:

Genesis 14:14: This verse refers to Abram pursuing some surviving kings of Sodom and Gomorrah to the city of Dan. However, that place name did not exist until a long time after Moses' death. Other locations are also identified in the Pentateuch by names that were invented long after the death of Moses.
Genesis 22:14: The verse states: "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day..." There are many verses in the Torah that state that something has lasted "to this day". That appears to have been written by a writer who composed the passages long after the events described, and long after Moses' death.
Genesis 36 contained a list of Edomite kings which included some monarchs who were in power after Moses' death. R.E. Friedman wrote: "In the eleventh century, Isaac ibn Yashush, a Jewish court physician of a ruler in Muslim Spain, pointed out that a list of Edomite kings that appears in Genesis 36 named kings who lived long after Moses was dead. Ibn Yashush suggested that the list was written by someone who lived after Moses. The response to his conclusion was that he was called "Isaac the blunderer." History has proven him to be correct, at least as viewed by most mainline and liberal theologians.

Deuteronomy 34:10 This states "There has never been another prophet like Moses..." (NLT) This sounds like a passage written long after Moses' death. Enough time would have had to pass for many other prophets to have arisen, to passed from the scene, and to have been evaluated.


check out http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_tora.htm to read up on this... there's no reason to think that Moses DID write the entire thing besides tradition anyways

 

[CaptSplat]

Actually God wrote a full word for word version of Genesis on pure Uranium tablets which he buried deep, deep underground and one day we will find them. But you can only view them if you are wearing A special green suit and sunglasses 2.5 inches thick or if you are really, really holy!!!

Yeah...right!

Sigh...Why don't you have a good look at some of the Sites on the internet that deal with these kind of issues regarding authorship, archeological evidence etc in depth authored by people who study such things for a living. They won't let me post them yet...sigh again.

Mosaic authorship is not scribed in stone
The Word endures at it was written regardless...
God bless you.