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A simple fix for the Transgender issue.
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<blockquote data-quote="stevevw" data-source="post: 74212206" data-attributes="member: 342064"><p>Yes and maybe I was not explaining myself properly. What I am basically saying is that we are talking about an ideology about how we should determine gender. That ideology is based on an unfounded idea and ignores the facts that biology affects how we determine gender. Gender neutral language is part of that unfounded ideology and that is a risky basis for changing laws and language.</p><p></p><p> Gender-neutral language must follow the use of self ID for gender. Self-gender ID allows people to claim they identify with several genders which means we now cannot say there is only male and female. Because we cannot say there are only two genders of male and female, we must now use gender neutral language to include the many self-perceived genders.</p><p></p><p>It is a scientific fact that when we talk about biology the reproductive system is the main way we determine male and females. The women's reproductive system, her uterus, ovaries etc allows her to become pregnant. Only a Nate women can become pregnant. As you said we should be able to use biology in certain situations to determine gender. A women becoming pregnant as a result of her reproductive system is one of those situations. Because transgender ideology has no basis in determining what a females is it stands to reason that using gender neutral language also has no basis when talking about pregnancy and workplace laws. The fact it sounds silly to use this language is because it is. It is counter to scientific fact. Using a transgender male who is really a Nate female biologically also has no basis for the same reason that the ideology has no basis.</p><p></p><p> As opposed to the unsound reasoning of gender ideology that states feelings are how we determine reality. The reason I am making my argument is that transgender ideology is an unfounded and illogical basis for changing laws and implementing gender-neutral language. It is a concern if transgender ideology takes over as this will put many children and women at risk of harm. Yes, it is already happening, and important things like laws and rights are being changed because of feelings and not facts. I am not arguing that reasonable things are unreasonable. I am arguing that the things claimed as reasonable are also an unreasonable basis for changing laws and language because they are based on an unfounded and illogical ideology.</p><p></p><p></p><p> So you are saying that the current discrimination laws and the language they use is wrong. Your reasons would work if the basis for transgender ideology had any truth. But it doesn't and I think this is where the confusion and conflict stems from including our ongoing debate.</p><p></p><p>The point is we have been debating this issue and obviously have two differing views. So I have gone to the actual laws and science on the topic to see what they say. For example the Canadian Discrimination Commission specifies their position that pregnancy is sex discrimination and therefore sex is about biology and this only applies to women. This is current law and is not necessarily an outdated one. Like I said the Canadian government is one country open to transgender rights and would have up to date laws and rights on these matters.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stevevw, post: 74212206, member: 342064"] Yes and maybe I was not explaining myself properly. What I am basically saying is that we are talking about an ideology about how we should determine gender. That ideology is based on an unfounded idea and ignores the facts that biology affects how we determine gender. Gender neutral language is part of that unfounded ideology and that is a risky basis for changing laws and language. Gender-neutral language must follow the use of self ID for gender. Self-gender ID allows people to claim they identify with several genders which means we now cannot say there is only male and female. Because we cannot say there are only two genders of male and female, we must now use gender neutral language to include the many self-perceived genders. It is a scientific fact that when we talk about biology the reproductive system is the main way we determine male and females. The women's reproductive system, her uterus, ovaries etc allows her to become pregnant. Only a Nate women can become pregnant. As you said we should be able to use biology in certain situations to determine gender. A women becoming pregnant as a result of her reproductive system is one of those situations. Because transgender ideology has no basis in determining what a females is it stands to reason that using gender neutral language also has no basis when talking about pregnancy and workplace laws. The fact it sounds silly to use this language is because it is. It is counter to scientific fact. Using a transgender male who is really a Nate female biologically also has no basis for the same reason that the ideology has no basis. As opposed to the unsound reasoning of gender ideology that states feelings are how we determine reality. The reason I am making my argument is that transgender ideology is an unfounded and illogical basis for changing laws and implementing gender-neutral language. It is a concern if transgender ideology takes over as this will put many children and women at risk of harm. Yes, it is already happening, and important things like laws and rights are being changed because of feelings and not facts. I am not arguing that reasonable things are unreasonable. I am arguing that the things claimed as reasonable are also an unreasonable basis for changing laws and language because they are based on an unfounded and illogical ideology. So you are saying that the current discrimination laws and the language they use is wrong. Your reasons would work if the basis for transgender ideology had any truth. But it doesn't and I think this is where the confusion and conflict stems from including our ongoing debate. The point is we have been debating this issue and obviously have two differing views. So I have gone to the actual laws and science on the topic to see what they say. For example the Canadian Discrimination Commission specifies their position that pregnancy is sex discrimination and therefore sex is about biology and this only applies to women. This is current law and is not necessarily an outdated one. Like I said the Canadian government is one country open to transgender rights and would have up to date laws and rights on these matters. [/QUOTE]
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