A Seemingly Definitive Refutation of the "No new information" canard

[SelfSim]

Perhaps we should define information more clearly?

It is self evident that for scientific experiments to work, we can't have quantum category information -- things such as electron orbital characteristics, for instance, flitting in and out of existence. Likewise, since genetics is real and reliable, we don't have subatomic information coming and going so as to arbitrarily turn that reliability into bedlam. There are things we can stand on in this world.

Horses for courses .. eg: most macroscopic objects aren't describable in quantum theory .. for good reasons .. (Physics).

Such as this world being here for us to jolly about on and smell the daisies --- up until the Revelation angel proclaims, Time shall be no more. That's space - time.

..

This NATURAL world.

An argument which is actually undermined by employing web-word capitalisations ...

But people can experience things that are brand new, experience each other (for better or worse!) and have what might be called religious experience which is outside physical analysis.

.. (but not outside their own minds).

We can encounter new things outside the purely physical. This is new information of a sort? It has an influence on physical outcomes? This is somewhat deep. But no, Einstein never thought up anything new regarding Physics. How could he? If it's Physics, it always existed in space-time. The man was prone to forgetting at which station he was supposed to get off the train, but that may not be relevant?

Every piece of objective historical evidence demonstrates that he used his mind in coming up with his innovations .. with none demonstrating independence of it.

 

[Philip Bruce Heywood]

You have a mind -- a good one. So use it.
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength:

Whence come I and whither go I? That is the great unfathomable question, the same for every one of us. Science has no answer to it. Planck

After the knowledge of, and obedience to, the will of God, the next aim must be to know something of His attributes of wisdom, power, and goodness as evidenced by His handiwork.
Joule

The book of nature which we have to read is written by the finger of God

Michael Faraday

I have looked into the most philosophical systems and have found none that will work without God.

James Clerk Maxwell

If one day you have to choose between the world and love, remember this: If you choose the world you’ll be left without love, but if you choose love, with it you will conquer the world

Albert Einstein

Believe in God, in His providence, in a future life, in the recompense of the good; in the punishment of the wicked; in the sublimity and truth of the doctrines of Christ, in a revelation of this doctrine by a special divine inspiration for the salvation of the human race.

Andre-Marie Ampere

All my discoveries have been made in answer to prayer.

Isaac Newton

Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe.

Galileo Galilei

Science is the process of thinking God's thoughts after Him.

Johannes Kepler

"Overwhelming strong proofs of intelligent and benevolent design lie around us.""I believe that the more thoroughly science is studied, the further does it take us from anything comparable to atheism." "The more thoroughly I conduct scientific research, the more I believe that science excludes atheism.""The atheistic idea is so nonsensical that I do not see how I can put it in words." "Do not be afraid of being free thinkers. If you think strongly enough you will be forced by science to the belief in God, which is the foundation of all religion. You will find science not antagonistic but helpful to religion." Kelvin

 

[Radagast]

Information is never lost by total erasure in physics.

Well, you're wrong, but discussion is clearly pointless.

 

[SelfSim]

You have a mind -- a good one. So use it.
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength:

Whence come I and whither go I? That is the great unfathomable question, the same for every one of us. Science has no answer to it. Planck

After the knowledge of, and obedience to, the will of God, the next aim must be to know something of His attributes of wisdom, power, and goodness as evidenced by His handiwork.
Joule

The book of nature which we have to read is written by the finger of God
Michael Faraday

I have looked into the most philosophical systems and have found none that will work without God.
James Clerk Maxwell

If one day you have to choose between the world and love, remember this: If you choose the world you’ll be left without love, but if you choose love, with it you will conquer the world

Albert Einstein

Believe in God, in His providence, in a future life, in the recompense of the good; in the punishment of the wicked; in the sublimity and truth of the doctrines of Christ, in a revelation of this doctrine by a special divine inspiration for the salvation of the human race.
Andre-Marie Ampere

All my discoveries have been made in answer to prayer.
Isaac Newton

Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe.
Galileo Galilei

Science is the process of thinking God's thoughts after Him.
Johannes Kepler

"Overwhelming strong proofs of intelligent and benevolent design lie around us.""I believe that the more thoroughly science is studied, the further does it take us from anything comparable to atheism." "The more thoroughly I conduct scientific research, the more I believe that science excludes atheism.""The atheistic idea is so nonsensical that I do not see how I can put it in words." "Do not be afraid of being free thinkers. If you think strongly enough you will be forced by science to the belief in God, which is the foundation of all religion. You will find science not antagonistic but helpful to religion." Kelvin

Believing appears nowhere in the widely published and globally taught scientific method.
Beliefs are handled with neutrality in science .. and are largely ignored.
There is thus also, no requirement to believe in any of science's conclusions. In fact doing so, just contributes to unwanted 'noise' (or unnecessary baggage).

The processes for generating the respective meanings of reality, (ie: by way of either belief, or the scientific process), are completely distinct. Keeping the two distinct, is the means for understanding reality .. and for keeping one's mind 'good'.

 

[SelfSim]

Well, you're wrong, but discussion is clearly pointless.

Well, I would say that your apparent rejection of the experimentally verified and logically validated no hiding theorem, whilst offering no counter-proof, would be quite pointless, yes.

 

[Radagast]

Well, I would say that your apparent rejection of the experimentally verified and logically validated no hiding theorem, whilst offering no counter-proof, would be quite pointless, yes.

I don't think you understand the "no-hiding theorem."

 

[SelfSim]

I don't think you understand the "no-hiding theorem."

Alright then ... always willing to listen .. feel free .. go ahead and share with us your understanding.