A search for a scriptural reference for helping

[justasinner]

I am looking for some scriptural references that answers to two questions.


1. If a person is in pain, what scripture states that we should help this person!

2. Since, John:9 states that disables were born to be healed and glorify God. Is their scripture that we can infer that this healing should start with his'/her's family.

 

[St. Worm2]

I am looking for some scriptural references that answers to two questions.

1. If a person is in pain, what scripture states that we should help this person!

2. Since, John:9 states that disables were born to be healed and glorify God. Is their scripture that we can infer that this healing should start with his'/her's family.

I'll just try to give you some Scriptures for #1 for now. First, how bout the the "Golden Rule" from Matthew 7:

"However you want people to treat you, so treat them, for this is the Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 7:12)

Here are just a few more:

"Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep." (Romans 12:15)

"Whoever has the world’s goods, and beholds his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him? Little children, let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth." (1 John 3:17-18)

"Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; and the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him. Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much." (James 5:14-16)"

Finally, for now (though there is sooooooooooo much more), Luke 10:30-37 reads (Jesus was speaking with a lawyer who was testing Him and had just asked Him, "who is my neighbor", just FYI):

The Good Samaritan​

"Jesus replied and said, "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among robbers, and they stripped him and beat him, and went away leaving him half dead. And by chance a priest was going down on that road, and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. Likewise a Levite also, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side.


But a Samaritan, who was on a journey, came upon him; and when he saw him, he felt compassion, and came to him and bandaged up his wounds, pouring oil and wine on them; and he put him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn and took care of him. On the next day he took out two denarii and gave them to the innkeeper and said, ‘Take care of him; and whatever more you spend, when I return I will repay you.’

Which of these three do you think proved to be a neighbor to the man who fell into the robbers’ hands?" And he said, "The one who showed mercy toward him." Then Jesus said to him, "Go and do the same."



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[St. Worm2]

I am looking for some scriptural references that answers to two questions.

1. If a person is in pain, what scripture states that we should help this person!

2. Since, John:9 states that disables were born to be healed and glorify God. Is their scripture that we can infer that this healing should start with his'/her's family.

On to question #2. I'm afraid I'll have to ask you a question or two before I can answer. First, are you saying that ALL who are born disabled were born that way for the express purpose of being healed so that God may be glorified? While that idea is not explicitly denied by the Text of John 9, it is certainly not indicated by this passage either.

Secondly, what do you believe the "family" of a child who is born disabled needs to be healed of, and how would that effect healing for the child even if they did need to be healed? Just as an example, what do you believe the blind man's parents (from John 9) needed to be healed of?

Let me/us know as time allows!

Yours and His,
David

 

[mark kennedy]

Here's someplace to start:

"Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 8:35-39)

"For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me." (2Cor 12:8,9)

 

[filosofer]

Finally, for now (though there is sooooooooooo much more), Luke 10:30-37 reads (Jesus was speaking with a lawyer who was testing Him and had just asked Him, "who is my neighbor", just FYI)

Just to note that a serious look at Luke 10:30-37 in its context points to the fact that this parable is not specifically about helping the neighbor but rather about justification (look at v. v. 28 "do this and live" and v. 29 "but he wishing to justify himself").

This is a case where the Biblical principle of helping others is certainly Christian, Biblical, and appropriate, but this specific text does not support that principle.

 

[Katydid]

As far as question 2 goes, you seem to be assuming more than what is stated. THAT man was obviously born blind for that reason, but there is nowhere that I see that states ALL blind men or disabled people are there to be healed. Some may be called to be disabled for other reasons. For example, I have never seen someone with as much faith as a 20 year old Down's syndrome girl I knew. She was so excited about little things, the color of a flower or a cloud in the sky and when you were with her, you just got sucked into it. You became excited about ALL God's creations. I just feel that you may be reading more into the passage than is actually meant to be there.

 

[justasinner]

First, I was not talking about the healing of the disable affection. The healing that I was talking about is the disable's spirit. Their emotional being and their soul.

Now, as for John 9, well in that time a blind man was basically a wasted human being. Without sight he could do very little. The people of that time did not understand that a blind man may have other gifts that he could use. But in healing this person, one could teach him to use the other gifts God gave him. And who better to know what gifts this person may have than his family.

If a person is born with a physical disable, society even today still treats these people harder than others. Which can test and depress the strongest of the faithful. Such as being lonely even in a populated area because no one wants to associate with a disable person.

So, is there scripture that suggest that this disable person's family should help this disable person stay on the right course with God and to help him overcome his disability? Or at least to find away to adapt so this person can exist as normally as possible. Such as getting an education or marrying and have and raise children, eyc.

I hope this helps in understanding what references I am looking for.

 

[Katydid]

OK, now I understand what you are saying, but I don't know if there is actual scriptural support for this. I know it is right, but I don't know if it is scriptural.

 

[St. Worm2]

First, I was not talking about the healing of the disable affection. The healing that I was talking about is the disable's spirit. Their emotional being and their soul.

Now, as for John 9, well in that time a blind man was basically a wasted human being. Without sight he could do very little. The people of that time did not understand that a blind man may have other gifts that he could use. But in healing this person, one could teach him to use the other gifts God gave him. And who better to know what gifts this person may have than his family.

If a person is born with a physical disable, society even today still treats these people harder than others. Which can test and depress the strongest of the faithful. Such as being lonely even in a populated area because no one wants to associate with a disable person.

So, is there scripture that suggest that this disable person's family should help this disable person stay on the right course with God and to help him overcome his disability? Or at least to find away to adapt so this person can exist as normally as possible. Such as getting an education or marrying and have and raise children, eyc.

I hope this helps in understanding what references I am looking for.

This is the closest verse I can think of concerning families taking care of one another:

"If anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever." (1 Timothy 5:8)

The Bible takes seriously failing to provide for one’s own relatives, and especially for those of one’s immediate family. It constitutes a denial of the faith. The Christian faith maintains that true believers should care for one another, and that in failing to do so, they deny, by their actions, the very truths that Christianity teaches (surely this would include spiritual ... see v4 ... and emotional matters, as well as physical).

On a side note, as I think about the Bible and its commands to do good to the "widow", the "weak", or the "fatherless", it seems that, in context, the kind of help that we are commanded to provide is in the form of a) physical or b) spiritual help, not specifically, mental or emotional. Perhaps taking care of the physical and spiritual needs was considered enough to provide for emotional recovery as well in the 1st Century and before? In a modern setting, I do remember Mother Teresa saying that this was true of the poor she helped in India ... in stark contrast to the kind of additional mental and emotional help that making a person 'whole' again would require, here in the United States.

Yours in Christ,
David

Vindicate the weak and fatherless; ​

Do justice to the afflicted and destitute. ​

Rescue the weak and needy; ​

Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.​

(Psalm 82:3-4)​

 

[St. Worm2]

Just to note that a serious look at Luke 10:30-37 in its context points to the fact that this parable is not specifically about helping the neighbor but rather about justification (look at v. v. 28 "do this and live" and v. 29 "but he wishing to justify himself").

This is a case where the Biblical principle of helping others is certainly Christian, Biblical, and appropriate, but this specific text does not support that principle.

Hey Filosofer, while I disagree with your exegesis, I would be interested in hearing exactly what you mean. Assuming that this passage (from v25-v37) is about "justification" only, what, specifically, do you believe that the parable of the Good Shepherd, (v30-v37), is teaching us about it?

Thanks for your help!

Yours in Christ,
David

 

[Katydid]

ooooooh I have one....

Mark 10:14
And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck

I think this clearly states that we are responsible for ALL children's spiritual health. As far as trying to make them fit into society, I think that to an extent that is part of parenting. But, I don't know about the physical aspect actually being scriptural.