Hi Eleos
I appreciate what you are saying. The answer is really neither. Some returned after 70 years while others were not allowed to go back or did not want to in many cases. But how long they were in Babylon has nothing to do with Daniel's Question. You have to understand things for their point of view not yours looking back.
Daniel like every other Person wanted to know if God had forgotten the covenant with Abraham Issac and Jacob.
Jer 33:24: Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them. 25: Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth; 26: Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob:
So he wants to know when is the punishment over and when the Covenant Promise will be fulfilled. For the Jews Jesus being Born and ruling over the Two Houses of Israel is the Promise of the Covenant. God has stated If Day and Night Stops only then will the Covenant be forgotten.
But they are in violation and are as Daniel clearly states under the curse of the Covenant. That means the promise of the Covenant will not be fulfilled until After the 490 years of further punishment is fulfilled as so clearly written in the curse laid out in Lev 26:. Then and only then can the Promise of the Messiah being born to the House of David be fulfilled.
Hi Of the Kingdom.
The biggest problem with this prophecy is that the Translators mainly Jerome Intentionally mis-translated this chapter to make it better fit their own interpretation of this prophecy.
There are two errors in particular that change the whole answer.
One I have already mentioned it does not say Messiah it say "anointed one"
The second error is just as altering
Here is the verse from the King James.
25: Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26: And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27: And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Now the Revised Standard
25 Know therefore and understand: from the time that the word went out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the time of an anointed prince, there shall be seven weeks; and for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with streets and moat, but in a troubled time. 26 After the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed. 27And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause sacrifice and offering to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator."
Now you can see where the problem is what The Vulgate and the KJV did is move the 62 weeks out of the one sentence and attach it to the previous sentence so they could get somewhere close to Jesus' birth and thus make him the anointed one.
There are three distinct sentences here
25 Know therefore and understand: from the time that the word went out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the time of an anointed prince, there shall be seven weeks;
The second sentence or statement is
for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with streets and moat, but in a troubled time.
the Third refers to the 62 week period completely separate from the first seven weeks.
26 After the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
So you can see what they did was butcher this to make it fit their interpretation of this prophecy
25: Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:
They take the 62 weeks dis-join it from the second sentence and add it to the end of the first sentence.
thus leaving the second sentence as this
it shall be built again with streets and moat, but in a troubled time.
Leaving it as a fragmented sentence
The third sentence makes it so clear that the 62 weeks is a separate time period from the first 7 weeks.
So the the three things are this
1: Seven weeks of years ie 49 Years and Anointed Prince will come
2: for 62 weeks ie 434 years the city will be rebuilt but in a troubled time
3: After the 62 weeks 434 years the line that comes from this anointed Prince will be cut off and have nothing IE no Heir.
The Bible in Basic English translates this properly as does the RSV ironically both multi faith translations that did not allow doctrine to change the translation.
I appreciate what you are saying. The answer is really neither. Some returned after 70 years while others were not allowed to go back or did not want to in many cases. But how long they were in Babylon has nothing to do with Daniel's Question. You have to understand things for their point of view not yours looking back.
Daniel like every other Person wanted to know if God had forgotten the covenant with Abraham Issac and Jacob.
Jer 33:24: Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them. 25: Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth; 26: Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob:
So he wants to know when is the punishment over and when the Covenant Promise will be fulfilled. For the Jews Jesus being Born and ruling over the Two Houses of Israel is the Promise of the Covenant. God has stated If Day and Night Stops only then will the Covenant be forgotten.
But they are in violation and are as Daniel clearly states under the curse of the Covenant. That means the promise of the Covenant will not be fulfilled until After the 490 years of further punishment is fulfilled as so clearly written in the curse laid out in Lev 26:. Then and only then can the Promise of the Messiah being born to the House of David be fulfilled.
Hi Of the Kingdom.
The biggest problem with this prophecy is that the Translators mainly Jerome Intentionally mis-translated this chapter to make it better fit their own interpretation of this prophecy.
There are two errors in particular that change the whole answer.
One I have already mentioned it does not say Messiah it say "anointed one"
The second error is just as altering
Here is the verse from the King James.
25: Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26: And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27: And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Now the Revised Standard
25 Know therefore and understand: from the time that the word went out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the time of an anointed prince, there shall be seven weeks; and for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with streets and moat, but in a troubled time. 26 After the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed. 27And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause sacrifice and offering to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator."
Now you can see where the problem is what The Vulgate and the KJV did is move the 62 weeks out of the one sentence and attach it to the previous sentence so they could get somewhere close to Jesus' birth and thus make him the anointed one.
There are three distinct sentences here
25 Know therefore and understand: from the time that the word went out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the time of an anointed prince, there shall be seven weeks;
The second sentence or statement is
for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with streets and moat, but in a troubled time.
the Third refers to the 62 week period completely separate from the first seven weeks.
26 After the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
So you can see what they did was butcher this to make it fit their interpretation of this prophecy
25: Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:
They take the 62 weeks dis-join it from the second sentence and add it to the end of the first sentence.
thus leaving the second sentence as this
it shall be built again with streets and moat, but in a troubled time.
Leaving it as a fragmented sentence
The third sentence makes it so clear that the 62 weeks is a separate time period from the first 7 weeks.
So the the three things are this
1: Seven weeks of years ie 49 Years and Anointed Prince will come
2: for 62 weeks ie 434 years the city will be rebuilt but in a troubled time
3: After the 62 weeks 434 years the line that comes from this anointed Prince will be cut off and have nothing IE no Heir.
The Bible in Basic English translates this properly as does the RSV ironically both multi faith translations that did not allow doctrine to change the translation.
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