A Scriptural perspective on faith and works

[The Liturgist]

Can you click your quote? I bolded it. You said: (Yes. Strive to make sure your faith is real. and not fake..)

He’s talking about post #108 fyi my friend.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Alright. It’s obvious you have nothing.

Its obvious nothing I say will help you .. You will keep denying I have anything.

Thanks for your time I guess. Go to the Church, find the proof of your accusations.

I have been to the church many times. And I have spoken to many a catholic.

Are you denying the things I said are used as excuses by the catholic church?

It’s easily found. You have done nothing but spread falsehoods.

Falshood. Yet you can not prove me wrong..

Those Catholics you talked to probably knew little to nothing of what the Church teaches. It’s common in all Churches with the disgruntled.

Good luck. You’re going to need it.

This is a common excuse. If someone says something, then they do not really know the church.

I will need luck?

Dude I have God
I have taken the flesh that endures forever
I will never hunger or thirst. I will never perish, I have eternal life. i will be raised.

I am not the one who needs luck here my friend.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Evidently, if they told you something that contradicts official Roman Catholic doctrinal statements.

but does it?

For this reason you ought to ask clergy or catechists as well as laity, since with laics there is a risk they might be poorly catechized, or they might not know the ideal way of expressing things, or they might be “Cafeteria Catholics” who disagree with the church on issues like human sexuality and abortion.

How about the sacraments as a means of salvation?

That said I do find it peculiar that you’ve interacted with so many Catholics who were apparently ignorant of the central tenants of their faith. It would be interesting to know what dioceses they were in and who they were, and what time periods we are talking about.

lol.

I have been told this so many times I lost count

Can you explain why6 the Eucharist does not Give what Jesus said it would?

 

[Michie]

Its obvious nothing I say will help you .. You will keep denying I have anything.

I have been to the church many times. And I have spoken to many a catholic.

Are you denying the things I said are used as excuses by the catholic church?

Falshood. Yet you can not prove me wrong..

This is a common excuse. If someone says something, then they do not really know the church.

I will need luck?

Dude I have God
I have taken the flesh that endures forever
I will never hunger or thirst. I will never perish, I have eternal life. i will be raised.

I am not the one who needs luck here my friend.

Are you insinuating Catholics do not have a personal relationship with God??


I’ve already proven you wrong over and over again. When the truth is provided to you and you ignore or reject it still… well that takes a special type of person. As far as going to the Church, I mean go to the many sites where the Church generously explains what she teaches. I mean… it’s like talking to a brick wall! Lol

 

[Eternally Grateful]

He’s talking about post #108 fyi my friend.

Yes, I know. when I click on post 108 to look and respond. this is what I see.

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He did not format it correctly.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I’ve already proven you wrong over and over again.

No you did not

again.

do you or do you not use church authority as the sole authority over the word of God
Do you or do you not use books outside the word of God as your authority (ie the catechism)
do you or do you not use history to show your church is in authority. going all the way back to Peter
Do you or do y9ou not have a high priest. and priests. who can trace their liniage back to peter.

Unless you answer is no to all of these questions and many more. then you have proved me right. not wrong.

When the truth is provided to you and you ignore or reject it still… well that takes a special type of person. As far as going to the Church, I mean go to the many sites where the Church generously explains what she teaches. I mean… it like talking to a brick wall! Lol

dude. You need to calm down. and show some humility. Posting a bunch of document from your church does not prove me wrong.

again, do you or do not (your church) do the things mentioned above and alo by myself and another person who started this conversation.

I see you still have nto answer my post. Can you please answer it. Why does the eucharist not give what Jesus promised?

 

[Michie]

Yes, I know. when I click on post 108 to look and respond. this is what I see.


He did not format it correctly.

She.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

She.

excuse me. I could not tell. thank you for correcting me

 

[Eternally Grateful]

so there you go everyone. i asked her if those questions were true or false. and she laughed.

and we are supposed to take them seriously.

 

[Michie]

No you did not

again.

do you or do you not use church authority as the sole authority over the word of God
Do you or do you not use books outside the word of God as your authority (ie the catechism)
do you or do you not use history to show your church is in authority. going all the way back to Peter
Do you or do y9ou not have a high priest. and priests. who can trace their liniage back to peter.

Unless you answer is no to all of these questions and many more. then you have proved me right. not wrong.

dude. You need to calm down. and show some humility. Posting a bunch of document from your church does not prove me wrong.

again, do you or do not (your church) do the things mentioned above and alo by myself and another person who started this conversation.

I see you still have nto answer my post. Can you please answer it. Why does the eucharist not give what Jesus promised?

All one has to do is read the thread. Just because you chose your own faulty interpretations and what you hear on grapevine does not constitute proof. I provided proof.

 

[Michie]

so there you go everyone. i asked her if those questions were true or false. and she laughed.

and we are supposed to take them seriously.

Think you could bring yourself to read it?

What Is the Eucharist? Catholic Answers Guide

Dive into the profound meaning of the Holy Eucharist with Catholic Answers. Explore the Real Presence, communion, and sacramental grace. Deepen your understanding and learn more.

www.catholic.com

 

[Eternally Grateful]

All one has to do is read the thread.

Yes, and everyone has read. and see you are unable to answer my question.

You see. You have to look at it from the outside. what do people see.

they see Israel used those excuses

they see the catholic church uses those excuses.

so they appear to be doing the same thing.

Now you can disagree. But the fact you will not even admit that you do do this, or refuse to say you do not do this. just adds to the point..

Just because you chose your own faulty interpretations and what you hear on grapevine does not constitute proof.

My private interpretation?

Please. can you share your interpretation of the conversation Jesus had in John 6. show me where I was wrong>

I provided proof.

No you did not.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Think you could bring yourself to read it?

What Is the Eucharist? Catholic Answers Guide

Dive into the profound meaning of the Holy Eucharist with Catholic Answers. Explore the Real Presence, communion, and sacramental grace. Deepen your understanding and learn more.

www.catholic.com

why, when you can tell me yourself?

I told you what I believe? Or are you to afraid to show me yourself?

 

[Michie]

Yes, and everyone has read. and see you are unable to answer my question.

You see. You have to look at it from the outside. what do people see.

they see Israel used those excuses

they see the catholic church uses those excuses.

so they appear to be doing the same thing.

Now you can disagree. But the fact you will not even admit that you do do this, or refuse to say you do not do this. just adds to the point..

My private interpretation?

Please. can you share your interpretation of the conversation Jesus had in John 6. show me where I was wrong>

No you did not.

Answer my question. Do you think Catholics have a personal relationship with God? You have implied otherwise all throughout the thread along with your falsehoods and lack of proof.

 

[Michie]

why, when you can tell me yourself?

I told you what I believe? Or are you to afraid to show me yourself?

why, when you can tell me yourself?

I told you what I believe? Or are you to afraid to show me yourself?

The Eucharist is the what is shown in John 6. It is the closest to Christ physically and spiritually you can be. It provides strength for the journey. It is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Himself.

And since you refuse anything provided to you:

The key term here is “union” or “unity,” and so you can think of the Eucharist as a sacramental communion with Jesus Christ that profoundly deepens our unity with him and each other as members of his Church. In receiving the Holy Eucharist and saying, “Amen,” Catholics reaffirm our belief in—and renew our union with—Christ, his Church, and all the teachings Jesus gives us through his Church. So to receive the Eucharist, you are to fully agree with all the Church’s teachings, even if you’re struggling with that belief (see Mark 9:21–29). Jesus Christ himself gives us these teachings, so it is important to be in harmony with them.

 

[Michie]

What Catholics Believe about John 6

What did Jesus mean when he said “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.”

www.catholic.com

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Think you could bring yourself to read it?

What Is the Eucharist? Catholic Answers Guide

Dive into the profound meaning of the Holy Eucharist with Catholic Answers. Explore the Real Presence, communion, and sacramental grace. Deepen your understanding and learn more.

www.catholic.com

actually you only have to answer with one word.

Jesus said whoever eats will live forever.
They will never die
They will never thirst
They will be assured he will raise them
They have eternal life.
and he said it is not the physical food. Like their fathers ate, over and over, often to keep themselves nourished. and died. Whoever eates this will love forever.

and he called it the food which endures forever. which one may eat and not die.

1. Why do you eat it over and over. and still you can die?
2. Why would jesus say later to do it often in remembrance of me. Meaning we take it all the time. Yet no one is assured that anything jesus promised is real

again, Did jesus lie?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The Eucharist is the what is shown in John 6.

No it is not. as I have explained to you. Nothing as per the eucharist has any resemblance to john 6.

It is the closest to Christ physically and spiritually you can be. It provides strength for the journey. It is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Himself.

And since you refuse anything provided to you:

The key term here is “union” or “unity,” and so you can think of the Eucharist as a sacramental communion with Jesus Christ that profoundly deepens our unity with him and each other as members of his Church. In receiving the Holy Eucharist and saying, “Amen,” Catholics reaffirm our belief in—and renew our union with—Christ, his Church, and all the teachings Jesus gives us through his Church. So to receive the Eucharist, you are to fully agree with all the Church’s teachings, even if you’re struggling with that belief (see Mark 9:21–29). Jesus Christ himself gives us these teachings, so it is important to be in harmony with them.

What good is any of this if it does not give what Jesus promised?

Jesus came to give eternal life. the people wanted fed. so he told them not to look for food which perishes (food you have to keep eating and if you stop you will die of hunger) but food which endures forever. which he will give them.

John 6: 26 Jesus answered them and said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw the signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. 27 Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him.”

This food is about receiving eternal life. Not drawing closer to God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What Catholics Believe about John 6

What did Jesus mean when he said “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.”

www.catholic.com

ah. so you are unable to talk for yourself.

Another huge issue I have with the catholic church.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Answer my question. Do you think Catholics have a personal relationship with God?

I have catholic friends who I am sure have a relationship with God

You have implied otherwise all throughout the thread along with your falsehoods and lack of proof.

Maam. Stop accusing.

You can quite simp0ly answer my questions. or keep posting stuff to me. that are words of someone else.

I am not hear to talk to the roman church. I am talking to you