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A Dismal Reality

It Wasn't Supposed To Be This Way



September 7. 2005

I was traveling in China when pictures of the looters in New Orleans began to appear on CNN. They were black of course. Looting and raping and burning are what blacks do when the lid loosens. Yes, I could phrase this more cautiously: These things are what some blacks, etc. or, more cutely, not all blacks are looters, but all looters….blah blah.

Yet it happens time and again. There was Los Angeles, burned in 1992. There have been Cincinnati, Miami, Seattle, Washington DC, Chicago, Detroit, Crown Heights, Watts, Newark, on and on and on. When the law loses its grip, the looting begins.

We have come to expect it. Members of my tour group in China to whom I spoke assumed that the looters were black before watching. They had seen it before. I knew it before I saw the pictures. The looters are always black except when, occasionally, they are Latino. If they were looting for food it would be understandable. But that isn’t what is happening. Few of us eat television sets. Nike’s running shoes are not particularly digestible.*

With the dismantling in the Fifties of apartheid in the United States, many hoped that blacks would rise, study, progress, and become genuinely as distinct from formally integrated into the country. I hoped it too, though my expectations were low. Southerners said it would never happen, but were dismissed as prejudiced. They were right.

The melding of the races just hasn’t worked and, if examined honestly, shows few signs of working. Fifty years after the Brown decision, blacks remain unassimilated. They appear to be unassimilable. This, after endless programs, after the nation has turned itself on its head trying to encourage, promote, force, or imagine assimilation.

Integration of the schools degraded the schools, but did little for blacks. Operation Head Start didn’t work. Racial quotas in the universities didn’t work, nor did the awarding of unearned degrees or the establishment of departments of Black Studies. Compulsory integration of restaurants didn’t work. Quotas in hiring, enforced by the federal government, didn’t work. Welfare didn’t work. “Hate-crime” laws didn’t work. Nothing has worked.

These attempts have not been without results, but assimilation of blacks into the country has not been one of them. Compelled hiring by race instead of merit has produced a black middle class, but those so hired are regarded as a sort of tax, a cost of doing business. Saying this aloud is a firing offense, so no one says it in the office. They say it later over a beer. This was not the intended outcome. It is what we got.

Neither race shows much inclination to associate with the other. Left to themselves, they quickly segregate, in housing, on campus, in night clubs. Only heavy federal pressure produces an appearance of togetherheid.

As a police reporter frequently in the hearts of the big cities, I saw the failure with a clarity available to few. The black regions are huge, and they are purely black. Their denizens share little with a society of European derivation. In particular, with not enough exceptions, they seem to regard laws as restraints externally imposed instead of internally felt: When the police go away, so do restrictions on behavior. So do televisions. God help you if you are a white woman. If you don’t believe this, check the Uniform Crime Reports of the FBI. They are on the web.

I am not sure with what instrument one measures passivity, but passivity is what I sensed in the moldering dark regions—people just waiting, for what neither I nor they knew, just going from day to day, except for the gangs, who killed people. There was a smell of violence awaiting its chance. If you think I am imagining this, reflect on the looting and burning that erupt when the lid grows loose. Always there is another city with young blacks carrying television sets from stores.

I do not say these things with rejoicing. Morally it is saddening. For blacks, for whites, for the country the best thing would be that blacks genuinely flourish. They do not.

Something seems inherent in the race, or perhaps embedded in the culture, that does not understand success or morals or responsibility as others understand them. Perhaps, as many suggest, a history of being wards of the state, of being given special aid and special privilege, of having nothing expected of them, has inculcated passivity. Perhaps the persistently noted difference in measured IQ is the explanation. Be that as it may, the blacks of the rioting regions seem to labor under a crippling torpor and a dull, paralyzing lack of concern for those things that define European societies. Or, for that matter, Chinese or Japanese societies. Scholarship, reading, study do not seem to appeal. In Washington, I almost never saw blacks in the art galleries, the museums, or the public libraries. The races do not appear to want the same things, do not value the same things.

Writers speaking of the looting in New Orleans regularly say that poverty causes looting, and that as a society we should do something about it. But why are blacks poor, and what could society do that it has not already tried? Blacks are always poor, in Africa, in Haiti and Jamaica, in New Orleans. It is a global pattern. Would that it were not, but it is. No one knows what to do about it.

With the inevitability of gravitation, commentators attribute the incompatibility with what we think of as civilization to oppression or neglect by whites. Oh? In Washington, the mayor is usually black, along with a majority of the city council and school board. The principals are black, as are most of the teachers, almost all of the students, and their parents. The funding per student is high. Yet the schools are horrifically bad.

Washington could have any schools it wanted: It is hard to imagine anyone denying blacks better textbooks or forbidding the assignment of more homework. I conclude that they do have the schools they want. Perhaps they don’t want schools at all.

Yes, there are exceptions, and they too flee the city’s schools. Unfortunately the exceptions are exceptions.

I will receive mail from blacks telling me that what I am saying is wrong. I wish it were. Yet the riots continue decade after decade and the academic necrosis never clears. The unseen downtowns wait, dead in the water, profoundly isolated from America by their size and homogeneity. From time to time they have exploded, and will explode.

Years back Carl Rowan, the black columnist, wrote a book called “The Coming Race War in America.” It couldn’t quite be ignored, but could be ignored mostly, and was. Though he had moved extensively among whites, Rowan had little grasp of how whites think. He believed that they wanted to grind their heels in black faces. That he was wrong doesn’t matter. If he believed it, one may imagine what the young black males of East St. Louis think. Rowan wrote also of the anger and hatred seething in such places. He had seen it. I have seen it.

What will happen if, or when, the economy weakens under rising Asian competition, if good jobs are shipped to India and gasoline hits unheard of prices and the standard of living falls hard? Under the imposed amity of today there lurks powerful resentment on both sides. Prosperity has held things together. A flourishing nation can afford affirmative action. But when prosperity goes so will the amity. I can think of no solution other than a passport and a Euro account.


http://www.fredoneverything.net/FOE_Frame_Column.htm
 

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This article is linked from Fred's:

THE DARK SIDE OF BLACK PEOPLE

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LET ME START by saying that if I had my life to live over a thousand times, the one thing I would not change would be my race. I am proud to be a black man. There are times however, when I wish that certain people and I did not share that trait.

For the past few days, the whole world ... well, at least those who have access to satellite and cable television, have been seeing pictures of the virtually total devastation of the cities of the U.S. Gulf Coast by Hurricane Katrina. An estimated 90 per cent of homes in New Orleans have been destroyed by flood waters and more than 100 people have been confirmed dead.

We see people standing on the roofs of their submerged homes desperate to be rescued, others being airlifted to safety, and we have heard tear-jerking stories of families losing their loved ones. But in all of this, we have also seen the really dark side of black people.

The day after the hurricane passed, there were reports of looting but network reporters had been saying that people were looting out of desperation, in search of food and water. A lot they knew.

The pictures I have been seeing are of people - black people - stealing shoes, diapers, and television sets. Not food and definitely not water. Not unless the armfuls of clothing, shoes, and appliances I see people wading through the streets with count as food and water.

Now, if all the looters were looting out of desperation, how desperate were the guy and girls I saw toting several boxes of size 13 Nikes? How desperate was the fellow with the stack of diapers? What, is it that he has several babies at home suffering from loose bowels? What am I talking about, what home? Everything is under water and what isn't, has been totally destroyed.

Plasma TV?

And just what are those guys stealing the plasma television sets going to be watching when there is no power in the entire city?

Desperation? Yeah, right. I am beginning to believe that black people, no matter where in the world they are, are cursed with a genetic predisposition to steal, murder, and create mayhem.

The entire firearm department at a Wal-Mart department store, for example, was cleaned out and the looters used the stolen weapons to rob people. How low is that? Everybody is suffering and the black people would seek to rob people who are suffering just like themselves.

No white looters?

And it has nothing to do with poverty. Where are the white people in all this? I am sure there are poor white people living in New Orleans, Biloxi and the other towns affected by what has been going on. Is it that the media are not showing pictures of them looting and robbing? Or is it that they are too busy trying to stay alive, waiting to be rescued, and hiding from the blacks.

And you know what? Even if the poor whites were looting and robbing, wouldn't it be nice if the blacks could have made them the only ones doing it

Just once, I would like for us blacks to take the high road in situations like this, where instead of showing our darkest side, we put our best foot forward. But I guess that would be too much to ask, too much of a case of wishful thinking.
 
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Sin is rampant where there is no law to weigh them down. I think the media though do tend to show the minorities doing these things more than the whites. The media likes to claim that they are unbiased, but the truth is shown by what they present to us in the news on a daily basis.
 
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SLStrohkirch said:
Sin is rampant where there is no law to weigh them down. I think the media though do tend to show the minorities doing these things more than the whites. The media likes to claim that they are unbiased, but the truth is shown by what they present to us in the news on a daily basis.


Even with the liberal media? I would think that they would like nothing more than to expose the white looters.
 
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ChiRho said:
Even with the liberal media? I would think that they would like nothing more than to expose the white looters.

Liberal to their own self-interests you mean. I think they like to promote the liberal causes when they can, but they are not nearly as liberal as many believe.
 
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The Intellectual Activist, An Objectivist Review

An Unnatural Disaster: A Hurricane Exposes the Man-Made Disaster of the
Welfare State
by Robert Tracinski



It took four long days for state and federal officials to figure
out how to deal with the disaster in New Orleans. I can't blame them,
because it also took me four long days to figure out what was going on
there. The reason is that the events there make no sense if you think
that we are confronting a natural disaster.
If this is just a natural disaster, the response for public
officials is obvious: you bring in food, water, and doctors; you send
transportation to evacuate refugees to temporary shelters; you send
engineers to stop the flooding and rebuild the city's infrastructure.
For journalists, natural disasters also have a familiar pattern: the
heroism of ordinary people pulling together to survive; the hard work
and dedication of doctors, nurses, and rescue workers; the steps being
taken to clean up and rebuild.
Public officials did not expect that the first thing they would
have to do is to send thousands of armed troops in armored vehicle, as
if they are suppressing an enemy insurgency. And journalists-myself
included-did not expect that the story would not be about rain, wind,
and flooding, but about rape, murder, and looting.
But this is not a natural disaster. It is a man-made disaster.
The man-made disaster is not an inadequate or incompetent response
by federal relief agencies, and it was not directly caused by Hurricane
Katrina. This is where just about every newspaper and television channel
has gotten the story wrong.
The man-made disaster we are now witnessing in New Orleans did not
happen over four days last week. It happened over the past four decades.
Hurricane Katrina merely exposed it to public view.
The man-made disaster is the welfare state.
For the past few days, I have found the news from New Orleans to
be confusing. People were not behaving as you would expect them to
behave in an emergency-indeed, they were not behaving as they have
behaved in other emergencies. That is what has shocked so many people:
they have been saying that this is not what we expect from America. In
fact, it is not even what we expect from a Third World country.
When confronted with a disaster, people usually rise to the
occasion. They work together to rescue people in danger, and they
spontaneously organize to keep order and solve problems. This is
especially true in America. We are an enterprising people, used to
relying on our own initiative rather than waiting around for the
government to take care of us. I have seen this a hundred times, in
small examples (a small town whose main traffic light had gone out,
causing ordinary citizens to get out of their cars and serve as
impromptu traffic cops, directing cars through the intersection) and
large ones (the spontaneous response of New Yorkers to September 11).
So what explains the chaos in New Orleans?
To give you an idea of the magnitude of what is going on, here is
a description from a Washington Times story:
"Storm victims are raped and beaten; fights erupt with flying
fists, knives and guns; fires are breaking out; corpses litter the
streets; and police and rescue helicopters are repeatedly fired on.
"The plea from Mayor C. Ray Nagin came even as National Guardsmen
poured in to restore order and stop the looting, carjackings and
gunfire....
"Last night, Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said 300 Iraq-hardened
Arkansas National Guard members were inside New Orleans with
shoot-to-kill orders.
" 'These troops are...under my orders to restore order in the
streets,' she said. 'They have M-16s, and they are locked and loaded.
These troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing
to do so if necessary and I expect they will.' "
The reference to Iraq is eerie. The photo that accompanies this
article shows a SWAT team with rifles and armored vests riding on an
armored vehicle through trash-strewn streets lined by a rabble of
squalid, listless people, one of whom appears to be yelling at them. It
looks exactly like a scene from Sadr City in Baghdad.
What explains bands of thugs using a natural disaster as an excuse
for an orgy of looting, armed robbery, and rape? What causes unruly mobs
to storm the very buses that have arrived to evacuate them, causing the
drivers to speed away, frightened for their lives? What causes people to
attack the doctors trying to treat patients at the Superdome?
Why are people responding to natural destruction by causing
further destruction? Why are they attacking the people who are trying to
help them?
My wife, Sherri, figured it out first, and she figured it out on a
sense-of-life level. While watching the coverage one night on Fox News
Channel, she told me that she was getting a familiar feeling. She
studied architecture at the Illinois Institute of Chicago, which is
located in the South Side of Chicago just blocks away from the Robert
Taylor Homes, one of the largest high-rise public housing projects in
America. "The projects," as they were known, were infamous for
uncontrollable crime and irremediable squalor. (They have since,
mercifully, been demolished.)
What Sherri was getting from last night's television coverage was
a whiff of the sense of life of "the projects." Then the "crawl"-the
informational phrases flashed at the bottom of the screen on most news
channels-gave some vital statistics to confirm this sense: 75% of the
residents of New Orleans had already evacuated before the hurricane, and
of those who remained, a large number were from the city's public
housing projects. Jack Wakeland then told me that early reports from CNN
and Fox indicated that the city had no plan for evacuating all of the
prisoners in the city's jails-so they just let many of them loose.
[Update: I have been searching for news reports on this last story, but
I have not been able to confirm it. Instead, I have found numerous
reports about the collapse of the corrupt and incompetent New Orleans
Police Department]
There is no doubt a significant overlap between these two
populations--that is, a large number of people in the jails used to live
in the housing projects, and vice versa.
There were many decent, innocent people trapped in New Orleans
when the deluge hit-but they were trapped alongside large numbers of
people from two groups: criminals-and wards of the welfare state, people
selected, over decades, for their lack of initiative and self-induced
helplessness. The welfare wards were a mass of sheep-on whom the
incompetent administration of New Orleans unleashed a pack of wolves.
All of this is related, incidentally, to the incompetence of the
city government, which failed to plan for a total evacuation of the
city, despite the knowledge that this might be necessary. In a city
corrupted by the welfare state, the job of city officials is to ensure
the flow of handouts to welfare recipients and patronage to political
supporters-not to ensure a lawful, orderly evacuation in case of
emergency.
No one has really reported this story, as far as I can tell. In
fact, some are already actively distorting it, blaming President Bush,
for example, for failing to personally ensure that the Mayor of New
Orleans had drafted an adequate evacuation plan. The worst example is an
execrable piece from the Toronto Globe and Mail, by a supercilious
Canadian who blames the chaos on American "individualism." But the truth
is precisely the opposite: the chaos was caused by a system that was the
exact opposite of individualism.
What Hurricane Katrina exposed was the psychological consequences
of the welfare state. What we consider "normal" behavior in an emergency
is behavior that is normal for people who have values and take the
responsibility to pursue and protect them. People with values respond to
a disaster by fighting against it and doing whatever it takes to
overcome the difficulties they face. They don't sit around and complain
that the government hasn't taken care of them. And they don't use the
chaos of a disaster as an opportunity to prey on their fellow men.
But what about criminals and welfare parasites? Do they worry
about saving their houses and property? They don't, because they don't
own anything. Do they worry about what is going to happen to their
businesses or how they are going to make a living? They never worried
about those things before. Do they worry about crime and looting? But
living off of stolen wealth is a way of life for them.
People living in piles of their own trash, while petulantly
complaining that other people aren't doing enough to take care of them
and then shooting at those who come to rescue them-this is not just a
description of the chaos at the Superdome. It is a perfect summary of
the 40-year history of the welfare state and its public housing
projects.
The welfare state-and the brutish, uncivilized mentality it
sustains and encourages-is the man-made disaster that explains the moral
ugliness that has swamped New Orleans. And that is the story that no one
is reporting.

Source: TIA Daily -- September 2, 2005
 
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Radidio said:
The Intellectual Activist, An Objectivist Review

An Unnatural Disaster: A Hurricane Exposes the Man-Made Disaster of the
Welfare State
by Robert Tracinski



It took four long days for state and federal officials to figure
out how to deal with the disaster in New Orleans. I can't blame them,
because it also took me four long days to figure out what was going on
there. The reason is that the events there make no sense if you think
that we are confronting a natural disaster.
If this is just a natural disaster, the response for public
officials is obvious: you bring in food, water, and doctors; you send
transportation to evacuate refugees to temporary shelters; you send
engineers to stop the flooding and rebuild the city's infrastructure.
For journalists, natural disasters also have a familiar pattern: the
heroism of ordinary people pulling together to survive; the hard work
and dedication of doctors, nurses, and rescue workers; the steps being
taken to clean up and rebuild.
Public officials did not expect that the first thing they would
have to do is to send thousands of armed troops in armored vehicle, as
if they are suppressing an enemy insurgency. And journalists-myself
included-did not expect that the story would not be about rain, wind,
and flooding, but about rape, murder, and looting.
But this is not a natural disaster. It is a man-made disaster.
The man-made disaster is not an inadequate or incompetent response
by federal relief agencies, and it was not directly caused by Hurricane
Katrina. This is where just about every newspaper and television channel
has gotten the story wrong.
The man-made disaster we are now witnessing in New Orleans did not
happen over four days last week. It happened over the past four decades.
Hurricane Katrina merely exposed it to public view.
The man-made disaster is the welfare state.
For the past few days, I have found the news from New Orleans to
be confusing. People were not behaving as you would expect them to
behave in an emergency-indeed, they were not behaving as they have
behaved in other emergencies. That is what has shocked so many people:
they have been saying that this is not what we expect from America. In
fact, it is not even what we expect from a Third World country.
When confronted with a disaster, people usually rise to the
occasion. They work together to rescue people in danger, and they
spontaneously organize to keep order and solve problems. This is
especially true in America. We are an enterprising people, used to
relying on our own initiative rather than waiting around for the
government to take care of us. I have seen this a hundred times, in
small examples (a small town whose main traffic light had gone out,
causing ordinary citizens to get out of their cars and serve as
impromptu traffic cops, directing cars through the intersection) and
large ones (the spontaneous response of New Yorkers to September 11).
So what explains the chaos in New Orleans?
To give you an idea of the magnitude of what is going on, here is
a description from a Washington Times story:
"Storm victims are raped and beaten; fights erupt with flying
fists, knives and guns; fires are breaking out; corpses litter the
streets; and police and rescue helicopters are repeatedly fired on.
"The plea from Mayor C. Ray Nagin came even as National Guardsmen
poured in to restore order and stop the looting, carjackings and
gunfire....
"Last night, Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said 300 Iraq-hardened
Arkansas National Guard members were inside New Orleans with
shoot-to-kill orders.
" 'These troops are...under my orders to restore order in the
streets,' she said. 'They have M-16s, and they are locked and loaded.
These troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing
to do so if necessary and I expect they will.' "
The reference to Iraq is eerie. The photo that accompanies this
article shows a SWAT team with rifles and armored vests riding on an
armored vehicle through trash-strewn streets lined by a rabble of
squalid, listless people, one of whom appears to be yelling at them. It
looks exactly like a scene from Sadr City in Baghdad.
What explains bands of thugs using a natural disaster as an excuse
for an orgy of looting, armed robbery, and rape? What causes unruly mobs
to storm the very buses that have arrived to evacuate them, causing the
drivers to speed away, frightened for their lives? What causes people to
attack the doctors trying to treat patients at the Superdome?
Why are people responding to natural destruction by causing
further destruction? Why are they attacking the people who are trying to
help them?
My wife, Sherri, figured it out first, and she figured it out on a
sense-of-life level. While watching the coverage one night on Fox News
Channel, she told me that she was getting a familiar feeling. She
studied architecture at the Illinois Institute of Chicago, which is
located in the South Side of Chicago just blocks away from the Robert
Taylor Homes, one of the largest high-rise public housing projects in
America. "The projects," as they were known, were infamous for
uncontrollable crime and irremediable squalor. (They have since,
mercifully, been demolished.)
What Sherri was getting from last night's television coverage was
a whiff of the sense of life of "the projects." Then the "crawl"-the
informational phrases flashed at the bottom of the screen on most news
channels-gave some vital statistics to confirm this sense: 75% of the
residents of New Orleans had already evacuated before the hurricane, and
of those who remained, a large number were from the city's public
housing projects. Jack Wakeland then told me that early reports from CNN
and Fox indicated that the city had no plan for evacuating all of the
prisoners in the city's jails-so they just let many of them loose.
[Update: I have been searching for news reports on this last story, but
I have not been able to confirm it. Instead, I have found numerous
reports about the collapse of the corrupt and incompetent New Orleans
Police Department]
There is no doubt a significant overlap between these two
populations--that is, a large number of people in the jails used to live
in the housing projects, and vice versa.
There were many decent, innocent people trapped in New Orleans
when the deluge hit-but they were trapped alongside large numbers of
people from two groups: criminals-and wards of the welfare state, people
selected, over decades, for their lack of initiative and self-induced
helplessness. The welfare wards were a mass of sheep-on whom the
incompetent administration of New Orleans unleashed a pack of wolves.
All of this is related, incidentally, to the incompetence of the
city government, which failed to plan for a total evacuation of the
city, despite the knowledge that this might be necessary. In a city
corrupted by the welfare state, the job of city officials is to ensure
the flow of handouts to welfare recipients and patronage to political
supporters-not to ensure a lawful, orderly evacuation in case of
emergency.
No one has really reported this story, as far as I can tell. In
fact, some are already actively distorting it, blaming President Bush,
for example, for failing to personally ensure that the Mayor of New
Orleans had drafted an adequate evacuation plan. The worst example is an
execrable piece from the Toronto Globe and Mail, by a supercilious
Canadian who blames the chaos on American "individualism." But the truth
is precisely the opposite: the chaos was caused by a system that was the
exact opposite of individualism.
What Hurricane Katrina exposed was the psychological consequences
of the welfare state. What we consider "normal" behavior in an emergency
is behavior that is normal for people who have values and take the
responsibility to pursue and protect them. People with values respond to
a disaster by fighting against it and doing whatever it takes to
overcome the difficulties they face. They don't sit around and complain
that the government hasn't taken care of them. And they don't use the
chaos of a disaster as an opportunity to prey on their fellow men.
But what about criminals and welfare parasites? Do they worry
about saving their houses and property? They don't, because they don't
own anything. Do they worry about what is going to happen to their
businesses or how they are going to make a living? They never worried
about those things before. Do they worry about crime and looting? But
living off of stolen wealth is a way of life for them.
People living in piles of their own trash, while petulantly
complaining that other people aren't doing enough to take care of them
and then shooting at those who come to rescue them-this is not just a
description of the chaos at the Superdome. It is a perfect summary of
the 40-year history of the welfare state and its public housing
projects.
The welfare state-and the brutish, uncivilized mentality it
sustains and encourages-is the man-made disaster that explains the moral
ugliness that has swamped New Orleans. And that is the story that no one
is reporting.

Source: TIA Daily -- September 2, 2005

I would agree with this writer. All the Hurricane did was expose man in his most sinful state. It didn't create anything but opportunities. It would have been better to let the prisoners die in prison than to unleash them on society.
 
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That first article is just really nasty and wrong.

The others aren't so bad, really. However, it does all go back to media bias. It's there and there is no doubting it.

There WERE Asians and whites looting as well.

One medium even printed an article called something like "hero or extreme looting?" about a black (gee, no surprise there) boy who went and got one of the school buses (not being used) to HELP people get out of New Orleans - had at least 100 people stuffed on one school bus and drove it out of the city. Guess which one they want people to think. . .

The media are pretty awful with things. . it sickens me, really.

I'm even offended by that first article and I'm WHITE!
 
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First of all, the vast majority of the media is overwhelmingly liberal in its bias. To suggest otherwise is stretching the limits of credulity.

Secondly, its a myth that the liberal establishment is pro-minority in anything other than rhetoric. There are plenty of racists in both conservative and liberal camps, but if you objectively judge the track record of the liberal establishment in the US you will find that they have regularly opposed the advancement of minority candidates and minority causes over the last century. Liberal political groups have no choice but to play to minorities for the vote that minority communities offer, but rarely do the liberals actually come through on anything for the minority groups when the rubber meets the road.

There is racism, and stereo types are probably often applied unfairly. However, I have a friend who has a saying that I think is very true... "if you don't like stereo types, don't be one." Racism is stupid not because there is no truth behind stereo types.. but because race and skin color have no logical corelation to the bad stereo types in question. The bad stereo types in question are produced entirely by the sub culture or "world view" that the people have been raised in and taught, and finaly accepted. Wether they are white or black or asian or hispanic makes no difference, it is what they believe that makes them who they are, and brings about their actions.

If more black people are involved in these bad activities it is not because they are black, it is because the community they come from has been significantly poisoned with beliefs that produce those actions.
 
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KagomeShuko said:
That first article is just really nasty and wrong.

The others aren't so bad, really. However, it does all go back to media bias. It's there and there is no doubting it.

There WERE Asians and whites looting as well.

One medium even printed an article called something like "hero or extreme looting?" about a black (gee, no surprise there) boy who went and got one of the school buses (not being used) to HELP people get out of New Orleans - had at least 100 people stuffed on one school bus and drove it out of the city. Guess which one they want people to think. . .

The media are pretty awful with things. . it sickens me, really.

I'm even offended by that first article and I'm WHITE!


1) Why are you offended?

2) Why was the article nasty and wrong?
 
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I can't understand why, when someone points out inadequacies/problems in a group or segment of society, that people automatically wrap bigotry, racism or "bias against" around the statements. Just because they have observations, studies or commentaries about that group doesn't mean they are racist. Freedom of expression is dead and "politically correct" is in.


What good does it do if think tanks or sociological studies are done, and the results are not biased, and they can't be used as guidelines or references for gauging social impact? There are volumes of study available but they can't be cited because they are considered racist. How narrow minded can people be.











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I'm not sure I agree with those who are saying the media were just looking to take pictures or record black looters. Look at the percentage of African Americans in New Orleans, over sixty percent. Most of those in poverty are in fact African American, as well as the majority of those left behind. All you have to do is think back before the storm when they were putting people in the Superdome. Not many white, Asian, or Latino faces.

Take Mr. Newsman of CNN, MSNBC, FOX, or what ever. He isn't going to pan is camera around with some evil intent just to take a picture of blacks looting. Nor do I think the editor in New York or Washington is going to doctor coverage to further some sort of racial agenda. The fact is the majority of those who were left behind were black. Go figure that there they're going to capture black looters on camera. People are making a lot out of nothing.

 
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cableguy said:
I'm not sure I agree with those who are saying the media were just looking to take pictures or record black looters. Look at the percentage of African Americans in New Orleans, over sixty percent. Most of those in poverty are in fact African American, as well as the majority of those left behind. All you have to do is think back before the storm when they were putting people in the Superdome. Not many white, Asian, or Latino faces.

Take Mr. Newsman of CNN, MSNBC, FOX, or what ever. He isn't going to pan is camera around with some evil intent just to take a picture of blacks looting. Nor do I think the editor in New York or Washington is going to doctor coverage to further some sort of racial agenda. The fact is the majority of those who were left behind were black. Go figure that there they're going to capture black looters on camera. People are making a lot out of nothing.


I am no more racialy biased then anyone, but since when do we justify sin as being "nothing" simply because its black people that are guilty of it?
 
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Something seems inherent in the race, or perhaps embedded in the culture, that does not understand success or morals or responsibility as others understand them.

I identify this and name it what it is: racism. The article starts out racist and it ends racist. It goes nowhere and sheds no light on anything besides the prejudices of its author.

It unfairly singles out those doing evil and ignores those doing good: like those who cooked for others and rescued them with makeshift boats; like the 6-year-old boy who took charge and care of 2 toddlers and a baby when they got separated from their relatives. Or all the black people who are working on the relief efforts, opening up churches to care for the displaced, etc.

If you want to say you see sin, folks, we are all sinners. Skin color does not make anyone better or worse. In fact, studies have been done to show that black people and white people in America actually have the SAME rate of honesty, i.e. the same percentage of black as white will turn in a "lost" wallet found on the street.

If you duplicate the same or similar conditions (underclass in disaster condition and under stressors) in a country of white people, the outcome is the same. Look at Russia, or our own history--the draft riots of the civil war spring to mind.
 
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Jim47 said:
I am no more racialy biased then anyone, but since when do we justify sin as being "nothing" simply because its black people that are guilty of it?

Wasn't my point. My point was I didn't feel the media had a racial bias. Don't believe I said the looters were free of sin for what they did because of their skin color.:scratch:
 
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why does no one talk about the 99% of the black population who did nothing wrong,unless you count being poor,working class and without means to leave the city as being a crime.which obviously a large segment of the wealthy white(silver spoon) so called christians do.I lived in the city of new orleans in blue collar neighborhoods and the majority of these people being labeled as thugs and degenerates are working people,not looters or criminals,they were left on there own to survive,the majority of these folks only wanted food and water when they went into stores,of course there were those who looted for real(tv,s,guns,etc.)they should be found and prosecuted to the full extent of la. law!I,m of irish-german heritage and i lived in some predominately black areas of n,awlins and since i LIVED there i know the majority of these people are beautiful,church going,christians who live out there faith.a few bad apples do not make a group,a city,or gross simple stereotypes. in christian unity,l-cath
 
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LutherCath, 'cause the media is biased. Plain and simple. They don't want people to think for themselves. They don't want people to see the truth. That's why. Yeah, it's horrible. Yet, what are we to do? Until the leaders of the media don't want it, it's going to exist. The employees have to comply with what the bosses want.

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luthercath said:
why does no one talk about the 99% of the black population who did nothing wrong,unless you count being poor,working class and without means to leave the city as being a crime.which obviously a large segment of the wealthy white(silver spoon) so called christians do.I lived in the city of new orleans in blue collar neighborhoods and the majority of these people being labeled as thugs and degenerates are working people,not looters or criminals,they were left on there own to survive,the majority of these folks only wanted food and water when they went into stores,of course there were those who looted for real(tv,s,guns,etc.)they should be found and prosecuted to the full extent of la. law!I,m of irish-german heritage and i lived in some predominately black areas of n,awlins and since i LIVED there i know the majority of these people are beautiful,church going,christians who live out there faith.a few bad apples do not make a group,a city,or gross simple stereotypes. in christian unity,l-cath

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Because what you are asking takes an open logical mind, and people are much more inclined to be quite the opposite.
 
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