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Hello everyone. I've got a small problem, but first, a little context.

I'm not the best of Christians, but I am a pretty morally straight teen. I'm a loner and reclusive, but in no way am I lonely. I just reject social contact to avoid issues that often arise from crap like relationships and such. I've never faced problems like drugs, alcohol, or premarital sex.

So with that in mind, I have a question. Is it a problem that I occasionally look at porn? It's not an addiction, in fact, the last time I actively sought such images out was about 4 months ago, and I only watch for a few minutes at a time. I'm aware of the problems that come from this kind of thing, like distortion of views on women, but I always check myself to make sure that I'm not falling into that trap. I always treat females with respect and never look at them in a lustful light. If I start viewing porn too often, or see problems typical of this kind of stuff arising, I back WAY up and find something else to do quickly (video games are great distractions).

So, to sum it up, is it a bad thing to watch that kind of stuff on very rare occasions if I make entirely sure not to let anything bad happen? Is it just mindless entertainment if you don't let issues come from it and don't watch it very much?

And as a side note, why would I even watch it to begin with? As I said, I'm not lonely and I have no desire to get into all of that relationship business. Is it just teenage hormones?
 

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What one feeds on will certainly affect one, so keep your mind on the love of God in His beloved Son ---the Lord Jesus, and make Him your best Friend (see Matt. 6:21-24). That will certainly make for a great day and peace and joy in all you do.
 
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Hello everyone. I've got a small problem, but first, a little context.

I'm not the best of Christians, but I am a pretty morally straight teen. I'm a loner and reclusive, but in no way am I lonely. I just reject social contact to avoid issues that often arise from crap like relationships and such. I've never faced problems like drugs, alcohol, or premarital sex.

So with that in mind, I have a question. Is it a problem that I occasionally look at porn? It's not an addiction, in fact, the last time I actively sought such images out was about 4 months ago, and I only watch for a few minutes at a time. I'm aware of the problems that come from this kind of thing, like distortion of views on women, but I always check myself to make sure that I'm not falling into that trap. I always treat females with respect and never look at them in a lustful light. If I start viewing porn too often, or see problems typical of this kind of stuff arising, I back WAY up and find something else to do quickly (video games are great distractions).

So, to sum it up, is it a bad thing to watch that kind of stuff on very rare occasions if I make entirely sure not to let anything bad happen? Is it just mindless entertainment if you don't let issues come from it and don't watch it very much?

And as a side note, why would I even watch it to begin with? As I said, I'm not lonely and I have no desire to get into all of that relationship business. Is it just teenage hormones?


Looking at porn is a problem for a lot of reasons. You seem like a smart guy so I bet that deep inside you sense this. Sometimes the Holy Spirit works through our conscience and quietly tries to steer us in the right direction. I believe this may be happening to you. What do you think?

Faithfully,

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Greetings, as one who has faced that issue the way I looked at it is am I doing something that needs to be hidden?. The fact that you posted here seems to say there is something in you that's telling you this may not be a good thing. Just my thoughts though. God bless

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Looking at porn is a problem for a lot of reasons. You seem like a smart guy so I bet that deep inside you sense this. Sometimes the Holy Spirit works through our conscience and quietly tries to steer us in the right direction. I believe this may be happening to you. What do you think?

Faithfully,

:groupray:

I do believe the Holy Spirit is at work, but I don't think it's through my conscience, but instead through my family. I brought this issue here because my mother knows of it and it saddens her that I do it, therefor, it saddens me. What I'd like to know is why is it a problem with these conditions? I realize that it is something that Christians should avoid, but if it is in moderation and no other sin is allowed to come from it, is there anything wrong with it? Is it not like alcohol for adults, in that a glass of wine every now and then is of no harm?

Please understand, I'm not trying to defend doing it. I'm genuinely curious about how this problem is supposed to be handled given the circumstances.
 
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What you SAY you are doing is SO contrary to most peoples' experiences with pornography, and with the way that most psychologists say the addiction to pornography develops, that I find it difficult to believe. If you are actually "carefully controlling" your viewing as you describe, I'm betting that you have not been doing it very long and will not be able to do it much longer. The problem with all of the traditional vices is that they are fiendishly addictive, and pornography is among the most fiendishly addictive. It will grotesquely alter your view of women and sex and impair your real relationships. If you were truly able to control your viewing as carefully as you say, then perhaps it would be no more problematical than occasional alcohol use or gambling -- but the odds are significantly against a "reclusive loner" being able to do this.
 
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What you SAY you are doing is SO contrary to most peoples' experiences with pornography, and with the way that most psychologists say the addiction to pornography develops, that I find it difficult to believe. If you are actually "carefully controlling" your viewing as you describe, I'm betting that you have not been doing it very long and will not be able to do it much longer. The problem with all of the traditional vices is that they are fiendishly addictive, and pornography is among the most fiendishly addictive. It will grotesquely alter your view of women and sex and impair your real relationships. If you were truly able to control your viewing as carefully as you say, then perhaps it would be no more problematical than occasional alcohol use or gambling -- but the odds are significantly against a "reclusive loner" being able to do this.


It's actually been going on for a few years. That's part of way I posted this thread, because I know how fiendish it can be, and I feel that I'm not afflicted with the same problems that should be present with this sort of thing. I just wanted to know if it was a bad thing to do when those problems can be avoided.

BTW: What precisely are you implying with that last comment?
 
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Yes, it is bad as any Bible reader knows. So, you are addicted to porn. God calls us to flee that which is wrong, and you admit it is not good. If you don't put the Lord first and feed on His Word and the activities of God, you will feed on what Satan gives you. Your answer for your problem is as I showed in my previous post. You could be reading your Bible instead of watching porn ---right?
 
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Yes, it is bad as any Bible reader knows. So, you are addicted to porn. God calls us to flee that which is wrong, and you admit it is not good. If you don't put the Lord first and feed on His Word and the activities of God, you will feed on what Satan gives you. Your answer for your problem is as I showed in my previous post. You could be reading your Bible instead of watching porn ---right?

Indeed I could, and I often try and make that the case. Like I said, this is anything but a common thing for me. It happens only now and then, mostly out of momentary weakness.
 
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Well, we all have weakness, which Satan knows and will use to his advantage to keep us in the flesh ---instead of "walking in the Spirit", as God enjoins us. If you start to do that which is not honoring to God, CONFESS it to Him, and literally FLEE it (see example with Joseph who fled temptation -Gen.39: 7-12). Go out and run with your Bible to expel energy, then set down someplace and read awhile in God's Word. We all surely do not read the Bible enough.
 
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It's actually been going on for a few years. That's part of way I posted this thread, because I know how fiendish it can be, and I feel that I'm not afflicted with the same problems that should be present with this sort of thing. I just wanted to know if it was a bad thing to do when those problems can be avoided.

BTW: What precisely are you implying with that last comment?

Merely implying that if you are indeed a reclusive loner with a propensity for pornography, which is how you describe yourself, the odds of you avoiding a pornography addiction are correspondingly less than if you were something other than a reclusive loner and had a network of healthy real-life relationships.

I must say, my near-infallible BS Detector is moving fairly significantly into the red zone with this thread. I fear that we may be in the same territory as the 18 zillion "masturbation" threads started by newbie trolls. If you are having your little laugh for some purpose known only to you, enjoy it -- you have bigger problems than the occasional viewing of pornography.
 
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Hello everyone. I've got a small problem, but first, a little context.

I'm not the best of Christians, but I am a pretty morally straight teen. I'm a loner and reclusive, but in no way am I lonely. I just reject social contact to avoid issues that often arise from crap like relationships and such. I've never faced problems like drugs, alcohol, or premarital sex.

So with that in mind, I have a question. Is it a problem that I occasionally look at porn? It's not an addiction, in fact, the last time I actively sought such images out was about 4 months ago, and I only watch for a few minutes at a time. I'm aware of the problems that come from this kind of thing, like distortion of views on women, but I always check myself to make sure that I'm not falling into that trap. I always treat females with respect and never look at them in a lustful light. If I start viewing porn too often, or see problems typical of this kind of stuff arising, I back WAY up and find something else to do quickly (video games are great distractions).

So, to sum it up, is it a bad thing to watch that kind of stuff on very rare occasions if I make entirely sure not to let anything bad happen? Is it just mindless entertainment if you don't let issues come from it and don't watch it very much?

And as a side note, why would I even watch it to begin with? As I said, I'm not lonely and I have no desire to get into all of that relationship business. Is it just teenage hormones?

There is no real upside to pornography. It is a blight. It is not mindless entertainment. It has some very pointed and purposeful imagery intended to do just what it does. One of the primary problems is one you've already mentioned, and that is the objectification of persons as a commodity. A consumer good. It is a despicable industry praying on the lowest common denominator, and basest instincts of mankind. It is slavery and demoralizing humiliation and debasement for those who make it and act in it, even if they lie to themselves temporarily that it is not. It also disassociates the marital embrace (sexual activity) from love, and makes it something else. It is an intentional misrepresentation of human sexuality in order to make money.

Once in a while? Quantity doesn't really change the nature of the subject. I know the gravity isn't the same, but suppose someone just stold things every now and then. Is stealing still wrong? If someone cheats on their wife every now and then, is adultery still wrong? If someone only kills a person here and there, is murder still bad? I know these don't seem like the same things, but in a more exaggerated sense, they are. Enough similarity to make a point anyway.

But this is a Christian forum. Let me just finish by posting some useful Christian information from the Catechism of the Catholic Church regarding sexuality. Please don't just blow this all off as being overly long, and/or judgemental, because it's not intended that way, at all. Just read it a bit at a time, and think about it, and pray about it.

We are all sinners. We are all prisoners of sin, until giving ourselves over to Christ with all our hearts and souls. And even then we stumble and fall. Virtue and it's practice is a grace from God. It comes with time, practice, prayer, fasting, almsgiving and love, as God wants to give us His grace. He asks only our cooperation with His grace.

God bless you in your struggle.

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The integrality of the gift of self

2346 Charity is the form of all the virtues. Under its influence, chastity appears as a school of the gift of the person. Self-mastery is ordered to the gift of self. Chastity leads him who practices it to become a witness to his neighbor of God's fidelity and loving kindness.

2347 The virtue of chastity blossoms in friendship. It shows the disciple how to follow and imitate him who has chosen us as his friends,134 who has given himself totally to us and allows us to participate in his divine estate. Chastity is a promise of immortality.

Chastity is expressed notably in friendship with one's neighbor. Whether it develops between persons of the same or opposite sex, friendship represents a great good for all. It leads to spiritual communion.

The various forms of chastity

2348 All the baptized are called to chastity. The Christian has "put on Christ,"135 the model for all chastity. All Christ's faithful are called to lead a chaste life in keeping with their particular states of life. At the moment of his Baptism, the Christian is pledged to lead his affective life in chastity.

2349 "People should cultivate [chastity] in the way that is suited to their state of life. Some profess virginity or consecrated celibacy which enables them to give themselves to God alone with an undivided heart in a remarkable manner. Others live in the way prescribed for all by the moral law, whether they are married or single."136 Married people are called to live conjugal chastity; others practice chastity in continence:

There are three forms of the virtue of chastity: the first is that of spouses, the second that of widows, and the third that of virgins. We do not praise any one of them to the exclusion of the others. . . . This is what makes for the richness of the discipline of the Church.137
2350 Those who are engaged to marry are called to live chastity in continence. They should see in this time of testing a discovery of mutual respect, an apprenticeship in fidelity, and the hope of receiving one another from God. They should reserve for marriage the expressions of affection that belong to married love. They will help each other grow in chastity.
Offenses against chastity

2351 Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.

2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."138 "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."139

To form an equitable judgment about the subjects' moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.

2353 Fornication is carnal union between an unmarried man and an unmarried woman. It is gravely contrary to the dignity of persons and of human sexuality which is naturally ordered to the good of spouses and the generation and education of children. Moreover, it is a grave scandal when there is corruption of the young.

2354 Pornography consists in removing real or simulated sexual acts from the intimacy of the partners, in order to display them deliberately to third parties. It offends against chastity because it perverts the conjugal act, the intimate giving of spouses to each other. It does grave injury to the dignity of its participants (actors, vendors, the public), since each one becomes an object of base pleasure and illicit profit for others. It immerses all who are involved in the illusion of a fantasy world. It is a grave offense. Civil authorities should prevent the production and distribution of pornographic materials.

2355 Prostitution does injury to the dignity of the person who engages in it, reducing the person to an instrument of sexual pleasure. The one who pays sins gravely against himself: he violates the chastity to which his Baptism pledged him and defiles his body, the temple of the Holy Spirit.140 Prostitution is a social scourge. It usually involves women, but also men, children, and adolescents (The latter two cases involve the added sin of scandal.). While it is always gravely sinful to engage in prostitution, the imputability of the offense can be attenuated by destitution, blackmail, or social pressure.

2356 Rape is the forcible violation of the sexual intimacy of another person. It does injury to justice and charity. Rape deeply wounds the respect, freedom, and physical and moral integrity to which every person has a right. It causes grave damage that can mark the victim for life. It is always an intrinsically evil act. Graver still is the rape of children committed by parents (incest) or those responsible for the education of the children entrusted to them.

Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

III. THE LOVE OF HUSBAND AND WIFE

2360 Sexuality is ordered to the conjugal love of man and woman. In marriage the physical intimacy of the spouses becomes a sign and pledge of spiritual communion. Marriage bonds between baptized persons are sanctified by the sacrament.

2361 "Sexuality, by means of which man and woman give themselves to one another through the acts which are proper and exclusive to spouses, is not something simply biological, but concerns the innermost being of the human person as such. It is realized in a truly human way only if it is an integral part of the love by which a man and woman commit themselves totally to one another until death."143

Tobias got out of bed and said to Sarah, "Sister, get up, and let us pray and implore our Lord that he grant us mercy and safety." So she got up, and they began to pray and implore that they might be kept safe. Tobias began by saying, "Blessed are you, O God of our fathers. . . . You made Adam, and for him you made his wife Eve as a helper and support. From the two of them the race of mankind has sprung. You said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone; let us make a helper for him like himself.' I now am taking this kinswoman of mine, not because of lust, but with sincerity. Grant that she and I may find mercy and that we may grow old together." And they both said, "Amen, Amen." Then they went to sleep for the night.144
2362 "The acts in marriage by which the intimate and chaste union of the spouses takes place are noble and honorable; the truly human performance of these acts fosters the self-giving they signify and enriches the spouses in joy and gratitude."145 Sexuality is a source of joy and pleasure:

The Creator himself . . . established that in the [generative] function, spouses should experience pleasure and enjoyment of body and spirit. Therefore, the spouses do nothing evil in seeking this pleasure and enjoyment. They accept what the Creator has intended for them. At the same time, spouses should know how to keep themselves within the limits of just moderation.146
2363 The spouses' union achieves the twofold end of marriage: the good of the spouses themselves and the transmission of life. These two meanings or values of marriage cannot be separated without altering the couple's spiritual life and compromising the goods of marriage and the future of the family.

The conjugal love of man and woman thus stands under the twofold obligation of fidelity and fecundity.
 
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Respect for the post man. I'm no stranger to this issue myself. I think that making comparisons will not give you clarity on this issue. We sometimes start to measure sinful activity according to how we compare to other peope like the perceived addicts. There is only one purpose for porn. To engage in lustful thoughts. The penalty of sin is death and that goes the same for the fostering of a lustful thought as it does for the people who cheat on everybody and their mom. Don't compare yourself to other people. Ask where's my heart at when I'm doing this? I think you might be more pure minded than I am so I really want to encourage you not to go down the paths I've gone because falling into that [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] even once does bad things to my spirit.
 
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Merely implying that if you are indeed a reclusive loner with a propensity for pornography, which is how you describe yourself, the odds of you avoiding a pornography addiction are correspondingly less than if you were something other than a reclusive loner and had a network of healthy real-life relationships.

I must say, my near-infallible BS Detector is moving fairly significantly into the red zone with this thread. I fear that we may be in the same territory as the 18 zillion "masturbation" threads started by newbie trolls. If you are having your little laugh for some purpose known only to you, enjoy it -- you have bigger problems than the occasional viewing of pornography.

Ok, I'll buy that bit about my reclusive behavior. I'm a little paranoid so I thought you were implying something with more negative connotations. But yeah, I'm sure that if I was more of a social butterfly, then I would be at less risk.

Although, now you are implying that I'm a troll. But I assure you, I am no such thing. I mean, how has anything about this thread or anyone's responses made me look like a troll? I haven't been combative or tried to tick anyone off or anything. How could anyone derive humor from anything that has been said here? So far, you're the only one here who could give a troll pleasure, what with your increasingly huffy attitude and pretentious comments.

I understand that porn is not the right thing, and I'm going to make a big effort to halt any and all future viewings before they start, for they cause too many problems now. I was just curious about the circumstances that accompanied my situation. That's all.
 
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Respect for the post man. I'm no stranger to this issue myself. I think that making comparisons will not give you clarity on this issue. We sometimes start to measure sinful activity according to how we compare to other peope like the perceived addicts. There is only one purpose for porn. To engage in lustful thoughts. The penalty of sin is death and that goes the same for the fostering of a lustful thought as it does for the people who cheat on everybody and their mom. Don't compare yourself to other people. Ask where's my heart at when I'm doing this? I think you might be more pure minded than I am so I really want to encourage you not to go down the paths I've gone because falling into that [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] even once does bad things to my spirit.

Thanks for the advice, bro. I'm going to stop this whole porn biz. Everybody is saying that it leads to no good, and I'm starting to see that they're pretty much spot on. Not to mention I don't want to hurt my mother by watching this kind of entertainment anymore. Too many issues with it and I'm not even in deep yet. So I'm getting out while I can.

May God bless and keep all of you.
 
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Thanks for the advice, bro. I'm going to stop this whole porn biz. Everybody is saying that it leads to no good, and I'm starting to see that they're pretty much spot on. Not to mention I don't want to hurt my mother by watching this kind of entertainment anymore. Too many issues with it and I'm not even in deep yet. So I'm getting out while I can.

May God bless and keep all of you.

What wonderful news. You'll be in my prayers.
 
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I do believe the Holy Spirit is at work, but I don't think it's through my conscience, but instead through my family. I brought this issue here because my mother knows of it and it saddens her that I do it, therefor, it saddens me. What I'd like to know is why is it a problem with these conditions? I realize that it is something that Christians should avoid, but if it is in moderation and no other sin is allowed to come from it, is there anything wrong with it? Is it not like alcohol for adults, in that a glass of wine every now and then is of no harm?

Please understand, I'm not trying to defend doing it. I'm genuinely curious about how this problem is supposed to be handled given the circumstances.

I won't tippytoe around the issue because I care what happens to you.

Porn is one of the most addictive behaviors a person can get into. It desensitizes from normal pleasure. A lot like crack cocaine does.

More importantly, you can get some demonic spirits that get a foothold because when we knowingly sin, we leave that door wide open. And when you knowingly sin, you grieve the Holy Spirit.

And once you get one in the door, another decides to join it. And by the time you are in your late 30's, you'll be so screwed up and messed up you'll begin to wonder if there's any hope of fighting or praying your way out.

See, Satan is really good and patient with moderation. As long as he can get you to sin "a little bit", he's already convinced you it's no big deal.

Sin is sin.
 
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