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A reasonable response? Jealousy?

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I don't have a solution any better than the one's already posted, but I have been through issues with porn and women in my marriage as well. I have not found out how to stop (I'm praying everyday) but my husband has mentioned that is about control to him. He thought nothing of picking up a porno before he met me. It was just something to do. Once I made a deal of it, getting upset and what not, he felt that I was trying to control him with my emotions. So instead of it being something he would normally just not do anymore, he felt more compelled so that I would have one less portion of his life to control. It wasn't about the girls being more attractive or anything like that, it was just something he had always done that I was taking away. Maybe your husband feels like he should be able to do this because he doesn't want you to control him. It may sound ridiculous, but it's just a thought.
 
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Thanks for the input, searle. :)

For many reasons, I am doubting that it is an area of control now, though it could develop into a control issue if I push too hard in the wrong way. I guess that is why I am trying so hard to find ways to solve this problem without getting in his face and being the "big bad". I try real hard to let him have what he will, the things that bring him pleasure. I only draw the line at things that endanger our relationship. Even then, I work overtime, trying to find a gentle way to convince him that it's his own idea to put some things away from himself. *laughs* It always works best for us when he has it firmly in his mind that this is something that he has come up with or has chosen, instead of being forced. I'll tell you though, that it is sometimes really hard to know what to do without bowling him over when he does things that hurt. *nods*
 
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My mother in law and I had a looooonnnng conversation about this once. I know, real mature, talk to mommy, but I felt like I had nowhere else to go. She said that the devil knows exactly where your weakness is and where his weakness is and this is just Satan filtering in to make his presence known and weaken your resolve to stay in the marriage. Even if your husband doesn't give this up automatically, you can do what I had to do. I prayed over every room in my house and ordered Satan and all his helpers out in Jesus name. I prayed over my husband while he was asleep and I gave him over to God. There are no other words I can say to him and it only causes more trouble for me to tear up his porn and throw away his tapes and DVD's. Don't get me wrong, I am not the perfect Suzy Homemaker. Sometimes I do slip and say things I shouldn't. But I know I just have to sit back and keep faith that God will fix this in His time. This could be a test of your faith. Who knows? It is so hard sometimes to just shut up. Sometimes I even debate on withholding sex because how can I feel attractive to him when he looks at these other women? I just have to pray all through the day and keep up my wifely duties, I can't let the devil have my joy, peace, and willingness to be a good wife. Stay strong....God is with you!
 
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Jenna said:
I sat up pretty late last night, since everyone else had gone to bed right after dinner. It's the hard work season, with snow removal at 5am, so I didn't mind too much. It did give me a good bit of time to gather my thoughts though. What I decided to do was to write him a letter, really explaining how I feel about this, and why. I even made a point to share with him through written word, because I was hurt by him laughing at me every time that I tried to talk with him about it. Oy, it is kind of long. *cringes* Of course, I'm sure that y'all understand, since you've waded through the "book" I've already written here. I did write a note on the bottom though, that I hope that my cares and concerns mean as much to him as the fantasy books that he breazes through in a day. If he can make it through a 400 page book in 24 hours, I know that he can make it through my letter in minutes.

We'll see how this is going to go. He won't get to it until after work, probably before dinner, since that is when he usually goes online. It's how he occupies his time while I am busy. So, hopefully he'll put it to good use, and this will be the end of the online girlies. If not, then I think that I am just going to have to take the computer out of our house. If I have to, I'll even bag it and put it up in the crawl space of our attic, if there is no other way. I may not be able to cancel the service, but that really isn't so big of a problem if I want to pay $15/month for some peace of mind. lol
Jenna, it sounds like you have a good plan in place. I hope he takes your letter seriously. If he doesn't, you may need to use more *direct* methods to get his attention. Everyone is different--some people need only gentle persuasion, others only need a little hint or clue....then there are others who are stronger-willed & stubborn and those people may need a strong, more direct method of communication. It's different for every marriage couple, so do whatever is effective and works for you. I'm glad you are being proactive about this and nipping this problem in the bud now before it snowballs into an uglier situation down the road. The goal is to "save the marriage."

Definitely keep praying for your husband and your marriage. Only God will be able to change his heart. Take comfort in knowing that God loves you and wants you to be happy. I believe God does expect us to use tough love sometimes and not be doormats or martyrs in life. During this difficult time, cling closer to God and find your security in Him. Since you mentioned that your husband has struggled with pornography in the past, it probably isn't a good idea for him to put himself in tempting situations. I pray that your husband surrenders his will to God so that God may heal him of his addictions. I also pray for you to draw closer to God so He can lift you up in these painful times. God bless you. :pray:
 
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It doesn't matter if the woman's name is "St. Mary", no married man has a right to be chatting extensively with any member of the opposite sex. It is to put yourself in a bad position. It doesn't matter if she is interested in his sexy body or his sparkling personality. So many affairs start over the internet. I wouldn't write to the woman, she won't care. He probably gets immediate gratification because she makes him feel good. Its new and exciting. This man gets away with too much as it is (threatening to hit you and that sort of thing, his firey temper), you need to lay down the law as a woman. You have a right to be loved as Christ loved the church. AND LAY HIMSELF DOWN FOR HER. Not, oh, and had some fun flings that meant nothing. Not, oh I love her but I like to aggravate her. What is that? I don't think so.
 
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Jenna said:
Since we have moved into our new home, we have been doing very well in regards to every aspect of our personal lives. Many of the problems that we were having have since been resolved and/or overcome. However, I feel that I may be experiencing the effects of having been hurt. To an extent, I feel as though I am perfectly justified in my feelings, and that my husband should be the one to change. However, I am having difficulties in finding a way to express my feelings and set boundaries without coming across as controlling or just plain silly. Let me explain what has been going on....

A few nights ago, my husband began spending more time on the computer. Normally he just checks his email, and is done with it. He had been waiting on a download though, so he started visiting a local chatroom to kill the time while he waited. Well, while he was there, he began chatting with women whose company I was not comfortable with. She had tried to send him her picture, and I am sure that he had sent his. He said that there was nothing wrong with two consentual adults chatting over the internet, especially not when they are both married. I admit to giving him a look, since he had said that he had not asked for her picture. I pointed out that many women who offer their pictures without being asked, and those who have screen names like "sexy sex kitten" had other things on their mind than just their husband.

I didn't say anything more, and left him to his chatroom. At midnight, I told him that I was going to bed, and I did. I waited for a half hour for him to come to bed before I went and fussed at him a bit. Ok, to be honest, I sprayed him with a water bottle that I keep to spritz my hair. I told him that I didn't appreciate that he was choosing to stay online with some strange woman, instead of coming to bed with his wife. I said that if he was going to be naughty, I would treat him the same as I do the others who get naughty in our home (we have cats. lol). I had a smile on my face though, and he thought it was pretty funny. He joked, laughing it up as he got dried off and ready for bed. I had a smile on my face, but wasn't feeling nearly as amused by it as he was, especially not when he started laughing at me and teasing me for becoming jealous.

Well, for as silly as it is, I slept poorly that night. I had a stupid dream where my husband decided to 'help' a pretty girl up a flight of stairs, while he left me behind to make it on my own. I felt ashamed of myself for even allowing this to bother me as much as it has, but from the lack of sleep, I was cranky. Later in the day, he and I had a conversation, and he asked me why I hadn't slept very well, so I told him. Yet again, he starts laughing at me. I really can't stand the "I can't believe it! You're jealous!" comments anymore, and having him laugh at me is just over the top. I would be apt to just foo-foo it off and forget about it, except that it hasn't ended there.

I keep track of my husband's internet visits, behind the scenes. I don't mention it or make a big deal of it. It is just something that started back a ways, when he was struggling real hard with the internet porn. I hadn't felt the need to look things over in quite a while, but that darned green eyed monster was just riding me real hard. So, I looked over a few things from the past few days. This chatting incident hasn't been a one time shot or anything. He has been talking quite frequently with this "sex kitten", even though I told him that it made me uncomfortable, and I would rather that he not. He has also been having conversations with other women that put me on edge. A woman has told him how sexy she is feeling, and what does he say? Is "oh really?" a suitable response? He continues to talk with women who are hitting on him, sending him webcam invites, etc. I have yet to find where he brushes off any stupid sexual advances, or even mentions that he is happily married and uninterested. Nope. He just continues these questionable conversations with women who are not looking for his sparkling personality or wanting to share photos of each other's children.

Is it wrong to be jealous about this kind of thing? He acts as though I am completely out of line for being the slightest bit upset. Then again, he isn't aware that I know the content of his conversations. He just laughs at me and makes jokes at my expense because I am not comfortable with this. Granted, I don't see him having cyber sex with anyone, or getting that riske'. However, the tone of the conversations isn't chaste, and I don't think that it is appropriate. He's acting like I'm some prude though, making a fuss over nothing. Well, it may well be nothing, but it still doesn't feel that nice. He seems more interested in teasing me than making me comfortable though.

I'm just not sure where to go with this. I really want to trust him, but I know that the computer is a dangerous area for him. I know that he gets himself in trouble if he isn't terribly careful. Our intimate relationship has been going well, but this sort of thing still makes me feel vulnerable and possibly inadequate. I don't understand what the motivation is for him to be talking regularly with some 'sex kitten' if he is content at home. *sigh* Maybe I am just making a mountain out of a mole hill. Maybe my jealousy is just ruling. I guess I just figure that I have ever reason to be jealous over who has contact with my one-flesh partner. I don't want some girl giving him peep shows, and I certainly would want him to respect me enough to stay away from women who would disrespect our marriage like that. Am I just being completely insane? lol

You both need to get off the computer...end of story.
 
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Well, he read my letter, and late last evening we had a quiet talk about it. I'd have to say that things did not go nearly as well as I had hoped. The main jist of the matter is that he will not take "sex kitten"'s name off of his buddy list or refrain from talking with sexually provocative women simply "for the principil of it". He says that he won't let me pick and choose his friends, and he doesn't see how it will impact our marriage in a negative way. He sees this as a control issue, thinking that I am trying to force him to be one way or another, aside from the fact that I have been soft-spoken and gentle in telling him how I feel and why. He plans to change nothing, just to spite me.


Because it is later in the afternoon, I can be calm about this now. I spent the first hours of the morning crying and sitting with my Bible. He was oblivious, since he sleeps like the dead and isn't terribly bothered by what I feel anyway. *sigh* I have to say that this seems to be the tricky part about being in a marriage, and having the other person confident that you are not going to divorce them. I feel like he is just thumbing his nose at me, knowing that my options are limited. He's not being nasty about it or anything, just boorish and (in my opinion) dumb.

I was watching Christian television the other night, and something came on that struck me a bit. Approximately, it was said that the reason why an affair appeals to so many people is that here is someone coming into the relationship who promises to do anything to be with "you". Whereas, there is the spouse that says basically "I won't do anything to be with you". That's pretty much where I am at, feeling that my husband is saying to me, "I won't do anything to be with you". :(
 
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Jenna said:
Well, he read my letter, and late last evening we had a quiet talk about it. I'd have to say that things did not go nearly as well as I had hoped. The main jist of the matter is that he will not take "sex kitten"'s name off of his buddy list or refrain from talking with sexually provocative women simply "for the principil of it". He says that he won't let me pick and choose his friends, and he doesn't see how it will impact our marriage in a negative way. He sees this as a control issue, thinking that I am trying to force him to be one way or another, aside from the fact that I have been soft-spoken and gentle in telling him how I feel and why. He plans to change nothing, just to spite me.


Because it is later in the afternoon, I can be calm about this now. I spent the first hours of the morning crying and sitting with my Bible. He was oblivious, since he sleeps like the dead and isn't terribly bothered by what I feel anyway. *sigh* I have to say that this seems to be the tricky part about being in a marriage, and having the other person confident that you are not going to divorce them. I feel like he is just thumbing his nose at me, knowing that my options are limited. He's not being nasty about it or anything, just boorish and (in my opinion) dumb.

I was watching Christian television the other night, and something came on that struck me a bit. Approximately, it was said that the reason why an affair appeals to so many people is that here is someone coming into the relationship who promises to do anything to be with "you". Whereas, there is the spouse that says basically "I won't do anything to be with you". That's pretty much where I am at, feeling that my husband is saying to me, "I won't do anything to be with you". :(

Jenna, I am sorry to hear that he didn't take your letter seriously. Well, I guess it's time to use a firmer method to communicate to him. That "control" issue is just an excuse in my opinion...it's a lame excuse for him to just continue the relationship with Sex Kitten. I have been married 10 years now and there were a few times that I had to put my foot down and "call the cows home" so to speak. So, unfortunately, I think it's time for you to try the "hard" approach since the "gentle" approach didn't work. If your husband doesn't respect your feelings now, it will only get worse as time goes on...and furthermore, his relationship with Sex Kitten will also grow stronger in time.

God must be at the center of a marriage and *first* in both spouses' hearts. Your husband is not acting very godly right now and is certainly not treating you that way a godly man should. So, if I were you, I would "lay down the law" with your husband. If he still refuses to discontinue his relations with Sex Kitten, then I would move out and file for temporary separation until he is willing to work things out with you. I really hate to give this advice but your peace of mind is worth something...AND your husband needs to realize he has addiction issues that require counseling.

It breaks my heart to know how painful and hurt you are.:cry: Please continue to pray for your marriage and pray that God gives you the wisdom, strength, and comfort while you go through these crossroads in your marriage. I will be praying for you as well. Stay strong and God bless you. :pray:
 
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Oh, I've tried more forceful approaches in the past. That used to be my first method of handling things. In some ways, I really do take after my father. lol I stopped dealing with my husband in this way because it actually made things worse, instead of better. I'm disappointed with the way that he is acting now, for sure. I also know that if I would have been stronger and more demanding, I'd really be shooting myself in my foot.

As far as leaving, it's not really an idea that I consider. First, I don't know hardly anyone who was able to resolve their conflicts that way, to be honest. Everyone that I've known who has done that has ended up divorced. Second, I don't have anywhere to go anyway. The only place where I could stay would be with my grandparents and mother, down in Tennessee. I'd say that living 12 hours away probably isn't the most conducive to reconciling differences. *sighs* So, this is where I've got to be if I plan on making a go of things. Right now I am praying and staying in His Word, so I don't lose heart. I need some time to really be in touch with God, and to see where He wants me with this whole mess. I'm not certain yet. It may take some time, but I'm not sure that there is anything else for me to do.
 
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Jenna,

I'm very sorry to hear you are having these troubles. It seems to me that you wouldn't have snooped behind your husband's back unless you didn't trust him to begin with. Perhaps, there is a deeper problem here than just "friends" he keeps.

You'll be in my prayers.

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Jenna said:
I didn't get interested in the conversations he was having until I came into the room to talk with him and noticed disturbing things going on. Because of that, I nosed around to see what he wasn't being upfront with me about.

I didn't mean to imply that you were wrong to snoop BTW, only that your need to do so established that trust between you had already been compromised.
 
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jenna,

i am sorry. i have just now read all the posts... i just now have seen what is going on... all computers have security functions.. which type do you have?? you can make it password protected. he wouldn't even be able to turn the pc on, unless he knew the password.. and you can make it internet protected. he wouldn't be able to get on the internet unless he knew the password. the problem there is: that it can and will create more problems than what you want right now.. it will make it worse...i see and feel your feelings of hopelessness about the situation. like an active alcoholic, there is nothing you can do when a grown adult refuses to stop drinking or taking drugs.. you can only sit back and wait for them to hit rock bottom. and your husband doesn't look like he is hitting rock bottom anytime soon...

does he have Christian male friends that he talks to often?? that you feel comfortable w/?? that you can go to them, and tell them everything you did and said, and saw and discovered, and wrote?? you have talked and talked and talked to him about it. you have poured out your heart, and really opened up to him. and he got defensive. i recommend you take it to a trusted male friend, that can maybe go back to him, and talk to him.. because he needs someone to tell him that you have valid hurt and valid anger here. this is not appropriate behavior for a husband. sometimes, the pride gets too much in the way...

and maybe he heard you. he was just being embarrassed about it. i really believe he knows it was wrong.. but he just doesn't see it's consequences.

don't write to sex kitten. this is like the rest of the world. if you contact her, and she already knows, or doesn't care that he is married, she will feel you are in her power. she will feel too much in control. so don't do that. what you can do is block her tho. make sure her name is in the block on the email, and chat list... and put the chatter on hide in your pc. that's an idea. but again, that would lead to more problems..

i know you feel despairing and hurt, but i recommend that you up and make a new email address he doesn't know about from yahoo or hotmail, and start sending him "sexy" emails... tell him you can't "chat" but once in awhile.. and take yourself to your in-laws, or the library, and chat up a storm of stuff.. make sure you have a full personality totally unlike yours at first. if he is uninterested, change your name and/or your profile, put a little bit more of you in there, and try again. and again. and again, until you get a running limbo w/this hubby of yours.. and really pray hard not to feel hurt, or angry or despairing. be only as pushy as will get a response from him. don't overdo it too much.

this advice, i know would be hard. in your shoes?? i couldn't follow it. i would be too sensitive about it. we all have a different last straw, per se.

praying and fasting is the best option... but i am so worried about you. i don't want you to be a victim in this. i want you to be strong. and i want you to be proud. and i want your husband to stop!! lol. i don't want you to be hurt beyond repair, and this is incredibly damaging... my heart is just hurting so much for you. i don't have any anger towards your hubby--tho i see posts here that do. your hubby is in so much pain.. how did he get that way?? why does he let satan get in there like that?? right now, your hubby has been thru alot of hard work, moving to new home, a deaths in the family--his grandmother, and he has a very ill grandfather, correct?? your hubby is depressed.. he has anger turned inward, and he is not getting out of his blues. really really pray how you can help encourage him. have compassion on him, but still do and say what needs to be said for him not to violate his vows..

really, what he is doing, is displeasing to God more than anything. God has to be incredibly hurt by this. don't feel a victim mentality, but really believe that God will show your husband how wrong this is, and really believe that God will give him a heart that really cares about how much this not only affects you, but the children. really pray--and begin to fast for you, for your husband, for his purity in mind, for a reconciliation w/God, for healing w/the both of you--i think he has not yet healed from your previous emotional affair--that takes years, honestly.

so i pray for healing and healing and more healing w/the both of you. i pray that your husband becomes strong in the Lord. that he want to please God more than anything, and he be willing to put away all selfishness and prideful thinking... --i don't say that to be harsh.. we all seem to get into that hole of s & p once in awhile.. & some of us never climb out! lol.
 
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I will pray for you. The last person I knew who said their spouse had no business concerning their relationships with the opposite sex was having an affair. But you are correct that you cannot force the issue. People make their own choices and the choice to be faithful to his marriage lies with your husband. His accusing you of being controling and trying to choose his friends is not a healthy boundary for him to set but it is his choice to make. The fact that your husband resisits your involvement in his relationships suggests a serious warning sign.
 
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Jenna - *huggggggggggggggggggggg*

It's hard when you get the impression that your relationship is more important to you than to the other person, isn't it? :(

First off, I've only skimmed the posts so far. Sorry if I repeat anything.

It sounds as though he's enjoying the ego boost these 'chats' are providing. Think about it - very little effort gets him lots of flirting, no nagging, no responsibility, and an illusion of intimacy.

I can only provide some suggestions, and if you think they might help, you can apply them...

- Don't joke about something that really hurts. You send the wrong message and confuse things.

- Ask him to go along to marriage counselling for a couple of sessions to talk about this with someone else there to guide the conversation.

- Look at what he's doing, and see if you can work out what needs of his these 'friendships' are filling. Try and work out ways you can meet some of these needs (this is a dangerous one though. You need to avoid rewarding him for bad behaviour, too).

Why is this bad for the relationship? Lemme think...

- He's seeking intimacy with others over intimacy with you. A spouse is supposed to be the person (after God) who you're most intimate with... who you confide in most.

- He's fallen for the 'less, but easier' trap. He's got ego-boosting, and warm squishy feelings, and that feels a lot less satisfying than dealing with all the hassles of REAL life. But speaking from experience? It's all shallow. It doesn't last. And he's missing out on the deeper joy that dealing with all the hassles and stresses of real life actually brings.

Hrmmm... hope that helps. I'm sure there's a LOT more reasons too.
 
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My husband and I have had another talk, and I believe that we've come to an understanding. I wasn't too happy with myself, but I did raise my voice a little, on occassion. Still, I wasn't being mean, only passionate. I think that he knows that. I can be kind of lively when I really believe in something.

Anywho, the long and short of it seems to be that there aren't going to be any more internet shinnanigans. As always, all I can do is take him at his word and see where it goes from there. Hopefully he was being pretty straight with me. I think that I'm going to just make a point to send him out for some time with his friends, and take up enough of his nighttime hours myself that he doesn't have energy left to chat up any strange women. ;) Seriously though, I think that our routine needs to change a bit, if he is finding himself so lacking in challenging and fun-filled activities.

In the meantime, yes, my husband is Christian. He is just sort of.... lukewarm, right now. I'm having a hard time motivating him at all to even go to church. I'm not sure what is really wrong; but I think that the time away from our church family, and the friends that we have through the Body, has weakened his right/wrong thermometer. lol He doesn't spend as much time in the Word as he used to, and all of this is allowing for some disappointing situations. I really pray that he turns back toward the Lord though, and that the Spirit really reaches out to him. Maybe the stress and overload of emotions has just been too hard for him to digest at once. I'm not sure. Anyway, we'll get through it.

I'm no vicitim, and I wouldn't want anyone else to think of me like that. I am a woman who has made her choice for a husband, and is content to work through the rough spots. It can be frustrating, and even painful at times. However, it doesn't mean that the rainy days out-number the sunny days. It just means that I am definitely not one to sugarcoat things and pretend to have a perfect life. We have struggles, and that is fine. We may take our turns acting like dumb rocks, but the Lord is faithful and sees where are hearts are on the matter.

*hugs*
 
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