A re-examination of nothing

[Floatingaxe]

This quote referring to Exodus International, a man in the program (the organization of the conference you quoted):


One man, according to the pair, suffered such psychological damage that he mutilated his own genitals with a razor blade in a desperate attempt to rid himself of his sexual desires. Another impulsively underwent an incomplete sex change operation because he believed his sexual desires might receive divine approval if he were biologically a woman.

That would be the "light" for those on this thread to see, psychological DAMAGE.

That is total bull, of course. Thousands of homosexual people have been brought to wholeness through Exodus. The sad stories that come from there are not the result of Exodus, but rather the successful work of demonic activity among these people who are ignorant of how vile and vicious demons are, and have become victimized further.

So very, very sad to not believe in the hope of the Restorer, Jesus Christ, the King of all kings, and Lord of all lords.

 

[davedjy]

That is total bull, of course. Thousands of homosexual people have been brought to wholeness through Exodus. The sad stories that come from there are not the result of Exodus, but rather the successful work of demonic activity among these people who are ignorant of how vile and vicious demons are, and have become victimized further.

So very, very sad to not believe in the hope of the Restorer, Jesus Christ, the King of all kings, and Lord of all kings.

beyondexgay.com has plenty testimonials which have been retracted, and say that the program never worked.
Who's gonna believe a testimony if people themselves have already regretted making the testimony to start?

You expect anyone here to believe what you are saying, when the founders of Exodus THEMSELVES believe the ministry is a scam?

There isn't any way to change your sexual orientation, and it has been proven as factual evidence!

Where is your "proof" of these "thousands of testimonies"? Exodus International itself, has admitted on their own site, that a person will still probably have the attraction for the rest of their life. Wholeness?

 

[Floatingaxe]

beyondexgay.com has plenty testimonials which have been retracted, and say that the program never worked.
Who's gonna believe a testimony if people themselves have already regretted making the testimony to start?

You expect anyone here to believe what you are saying, when the founders of Exodus THEMSELVES believe the ministry is a scam?

There isn't any way to change your sexual orientation, and it has been proven as factual evidence!

Where is your "proof" of these "thousands of testimonies"? Exodus International itself, has admitted on their own site, that a person will still probably have the attraction for the rest of their life. Wholeness?

Of course you would take a little bit of truth and make it into a huge argument for Exodus being a scam. It isn't. It is a Godly ministry and many thousands have been delivered from homosexuality, and the attraction. Jesus is the Restorer and He never does anything HALFWAY! I know that for a fact.

From the calibre of speakers, and their own credibility, I am positive that there is great success there, and you can't stand it.

 

[davedjy]

Of course you would take a little bit of truth and make it into a huge argument for Exodus being a scam. It isn't. It is a Godly ministry and many thousands have been delivered from homosexuality, and the attraction. Jesus is the Restorer and He never does anything HALFWAY! I know that for a fact.

From the calibre of speakers, and their own credibility, I am positive that there is great success there, and you can't stand it.

Yet none of them have ponied up any hardcore, iron clad evidence. The founders themselves said it doesn't work, that speaks volumes, whether you want to ignore it or not.


I can't stand it? you are right, I cannot stand that a ministry that has been PROVEN dangerous by every CREDIBLE mental health foundation in America, still continues. These ministries are hurting people, not helping. No sane person knowing that every credible health organization opposes this type of proven to be dangerous and ineffective garbage:

Ex-gay" programs have been denounced by every respected medical and mental health care organization and child welfare agency in America, including:

American Psychiatric Association
American Psychological Association
American Medical Association
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Association of School Administrators
American Federation of Teachers
The Interfaith Alliance Foundation
National Academy of Social Workers
National Education Association
American Counseling Association
World Health Organization
Council on Child and Adolescent Health.


http://www.xnforums.com/cgi-bin/ulti...;f=18;t=000761


The truth doesn't lie, no respected mental health foundation, or Medical care facility would recommend such harmful rubbish to another individual!

 

[Ohioprof]

That is total bull, of course. Thousands of homosexual people have been brought to wholeness through Exodus. The sad stories that come from there are not the result of Exodus, but rather the successful work of demonic activity among these people who are ignorant of how vile and vicious demons are, and have become victimized further.

So very, very sad to not believe in the hope of the Restorer, Jesus Christ, the King of all kings, and Lord of all kings.

This is not true according to the people who founded Exodus. They have apologized, because they have admitted that their "ex-gay ministry" does not work. It does not turn people "ex-gay." They have noted that their ministry has brought people closer to God and has strengthened the faith of many people, but it has not made people stop being gay. These are the founders of Exodus. Read the story of Michael Bussee, a founder of Exodus, in http://www.beyondexgay.com

 

[Ohioprof]

Of course you would take a little bit of truth and make it into a huge argument for Exodus being a scam. It isn't. It is a Godly ministry and many thousands have been delivered from homosexuality, and the attraction. Jesus is the Restorer and He never does anything HALFWAY! I know that for a fact.

From the calibre of speakers, and their own credibility, I am positive that there is great success there, and you can't stand it.

This is incorrect, according to the founders of Exodus, the "ex-gay ministry." They say that their effort to make people "ex-gay" did not work, and they have renounced it.

 

[Ohioprof]

Where is your PROOF that gays and lesbians get into monogamous relationships just for the sex? Uneducated generalization.
I know plenty that are in love with each other.

Mercyburst's claim that gay people get into committed relationships just for the sex makes no sense at all. If all we wanted was sex, why would we get married? Why would we get into committed, lifelong partnerships? We can have sex without doing that.

People get married because they love each other, and because they want to create a family together. This is true of gay people no less than heterosexuals. Gay families are no different than heterosexual families.

 

[Floatingaxe]

This is incorrect, according to the founders of Exodus, the "ex-gay ministry." They say that their effort to make people "ex-gay" did not work, and they have renounced it.

The Exodus International ministry is a fine one and is wonderfully successful today. Too bad the founders succumbed to demonic interference. Satan doesn't like his territiory trounced on by Christians. He puts up a mean fight and of course, true to form, he goes for the leaders, to discredit them and the ministry.

You have fallen for that tact and the PR line against it.. It means nothing. Others have taken up the cause and are doing very well with the ministry.


http://www.exodus-international.org/

 

[davedjy]

The Exodus International ministry is a fine one and is wonderfully successful today. Too bad the founders succumbed to demonic interference. Satan doesn't like his territiory trounced on by Christians. He puts up a mean fight and of course, true to form, he goes for the leaders, to discredit them and the ministry.

You have fallen for that tact and the PR line against it.. It means nothing. Others have taken up the cause and are doing very well with the ministry.

I guess you'll believe pretty much anything put before you against homosexuality, even when proven false, huh?

It's too bad factual evidence that it's harmful from every respected medical and mental health foundation and say that it doesn't work completely discredit "ministries" like Exodus.

 

[Floatingaxe]

I guess you'll believe pretty much anything put before you against homosexuality, even when proven false, huh?

It's too bad factual evidence that it's harmful from every respected medical and mental health foundation and say that it doesn't work completely discredit "ministries" like Exodus.

No, of course I don'r believe the hype you believe. Such foundations are lost at sea when it comes to things spiritual, so bully for them! Secular opinion means SQUAT. Jesus discredits THEM!

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Floatingaxe, many times when JC healed someone He instructed them to present themselves for examination to the doctors or priests to verify the healing. JC practiced human accountability with both secular and religious "authorities" even while recognizing the inherent corruption in those institutions during His era. Perhaps He did this in part to set a precedent for us upon whom the ends of the world have come, namely that true healing work ought to be visibly verifiable to the medical and therapeutic (secular) establishments built into the human social fabric structures. Spiritual accountability demands we make square with the secular powers that be even if they bes corrupt. We bes still admonished to "render unto Ceasar". And JC still sent healed folks to show themselves to the doctors, pharisees and priests, ostensibly to validate their healing. So it feels fairly confident that when numerous medical and therapeutic establishments of good standing in society come forward to denounce something as destructive mentally and emotionally to ppls, we bes supposed to take that very seriously and use it as a "reality check" on ourselves and our cherished notions.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Secular institutions have no clout when God is doing a mighty work. They are kow-towing to the homosexual agenda and being over-the-top PC.

The Church of Jesus Christ doesn't adhere to the medical or social or psychological establishment over God's word!

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Secular institutions have no clout when God is doing a mighty work. They are kow-towing to the homosexual agenda and being over-the-top PC.

The Church of Jesus Christ doesn't adhere to the medical or social or psychological establishment over God's word!

again, you completely overlook the inherent contradictions between the practical results of your rhetoric and the example set by JC Himself. we'll have to take this up another time though, it bes too tired to do any more tonight.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

That is total bull, of course. Thousands of homosexual people have been brought to wholeness through Exodus. The sad stories that come from there are not the result of Exodus, but rather the successful work of demonic activity among these people who are ignorant of how vile and vicious demons are, and have become victimized further.

So very, very sad to not believe in the hope of the Restorer, Jesus Christ, the King of all kings, and Lord of all lords.

Thousands of homosexual people have been brought to wholeness through Exodus.

Name a single, scientific, double blind study that supports this statement?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Secular institutions have no clout when God is doing a mighty work. They are kow-towing to the homosexual agenda and being over-the-top PC.

The Church of Jesus Christ doesn't adhere to the medical or social or psychological establishment over God's word!

There is no such thing as "the homosexual agenda"

 

[Floatingaxe]

There is no such thing as "the homosexual agenda"

Oh, there's a huge agenda.

 

[Floatingaxe]

again, you completely overlook the inherent contradictions between the practical results of your rhetoric and the example set by JC Himself. we'll have to take this up another time though, it bes too tired to do any more tonight.

Who says we don't get medical or spiritual confirmation of our healings? We don't have to, and some don't bother. Some do. It's good for the record, but for those who choose not to, it matters not to me.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Oh, there's a huge agenda.

I note that you don't have any specifics, or evidence, to back you up.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Quote:
Thousands of homosexual people have been brought to wholeness through Exodus.
Name a single, scientific, double blind study that supports this statement?

 

[Ohioprof]

Oh, there's a huge agenda.

The only agenda I know of is equal and fair treatment for all. And that's something all Christians should support, I think.